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Hello my fellow C8 friends (all the way from New Jersey),

As promised in my reply on the thread discussing the low allocations to Canada, taking time out of my family vacation here in Jersey to give you my raw feedback of my holy grail museum style visit to Ciocca (previous Kerbeck), the biggest/largest Corvette dealer in all of North America (which was quite obvious).

We drove from Montreal to New Jersey for our annual family trip to Wildwood and Atlantic City (my wife's family have been coming here ever since she and her brother were babies). It was only during the pandemic, and my online research of C8 stuff, that I discovered that the largest corvette dealer is right here in Atlantic City. The drive up took around 11 hours (with stops) and I just could not drive past Atlantic City to arrive in Wildwood without making a quick stop, with all the suitcases still packed in the car. Plan was to spend a morning there, but I just had to stop and get a quick visual if the plant shutdown and chip shortage had a negative impact on this dealer too.

My mouth fell open (flies could have filled it), when I saw the car show of C8's outside. After quickly parking, and drooling over the cars outside, we walked inside both buildings, also filled with C8's. There must have been maybe 50-70 cars there. Recall, this was just a quick stop, I had no info beyond what I saw, but man oh man, in front of me, I had every single color and combo possible. Me who was struggling to decide whether to go RB or AO or HG, and whether to go with HTC black or color top. And what would carbon fiber accessories look like. They had it all, scattered a bit everywhere.

Let me quickly get to the point you all want to read. A few days later we planned our outlet shopping trip to Atlantic City, with the family knowing the morning would be spent at Ciocca, analyzing everything to death, until my final choice in color and accessories was done and when we walk away, our choice was made (this was accomplished). What I did not anticipate was for a super friendly, older sales guy to approach us to have a nice chat with us. He felt our friendly Canadian vibe. And this is where I started to get all of the interesting and shocking info, so here goes....

* He confirmed that since the C8 came out, they delivered no less than 3400 cars (2020-2022).
* He confirmed that they are delivering no less than 200 cars this month, let me repeat that, 200 deliveries of C8's this month
* They are the largest C8 dealer in the country and North America
* The wait time for a C8 is around 14 months
* Their Z06 list grew to 1600 in the first 3 days they started it, and had to shut it down immediately
* Chip shortage ? What chip shortage (more on that later)
* e-Ray / Z06 allocation dates I asked ? he said Live In The Moment and forget about waiting (more on that later too)
* Patience is key, where else can you put down $1000 and get $10,000-$20,000 back (his words)
* If you trade-in your used C8, they offer MSRP buy back, and top of the list with 8 weeks for new car

Chip Shortage - What Chip Shortage ?
So this one surprised me. He leaned into me with a funny friendly smile, as if the chip shortage was some conspiracy theory. What he suggested was that while there might have been delays in getting cars to other dealers, for whatever reason, the plant made sure that their constant flow of supply was not interrupted to their dealer. In other words, they did not see much (if any) reduction in allocation during the tougher periods and GM probably had to provide reasons to other dealers why their allocations were reduced, to ensure Ciocca got what they needed, which is likely 100-200 cars per month.

e-Ray / Z06 allocation dates - Live In The Moment
He said they are telling their customers to just live in the moment, that their Z06 list shut down just after 3 days of being open, with 1600 people registered on it. I told him the joke of someone on this forum saying he was 60 and by the time his number comes around for a Z06 he will be 100. He laughed, and agreed, saying to appreciate the model of car that is in front of us now, that life is too short to wait, and that by the time enough Z06 and eRays come out, a new model will be upon us, and everyone will be wanting that one next. In other words, the eRay and Z06 will be trickling in, in tiny numbers, and the wait will be very long, so to stop thinking about it and just enjoy what is there today.

There you have it folks. I am trying this on my work laptop, and in a moment will upload all the pics I took from the dealer on my mobile. Sadly when I went back more than half of the cars there from a few days back were already picked up, so a lot less to show you from the first visuals I got.

Finally, let me answer a burning question that I had, which got answered in an interesting way. Atlantic City is not what it once used to be. It tried to be a mini Vegas, and in the years and decades I used to come here, it had the bright lights and flashy casinos and busy boardwalk. Not anymore, if feels run down a bit, aged. And I was even more surprised to see where Ciocca was located, off to the side of where the casinos are located, in what felt like an aged, kind of run down area. So how the heck are they the #1 dealer.

The answer to that question was standing right in front of me. A slightly older gentleman and his wife were at the dealer, with suitcase in tow, there to pickup one of the sharper looking red C8's with high wing on it. They had just flown in to Jersey from another state, probably straight from their hotel or airport, with suitcase, to pickup the car. My guess is that most of the sales there come from out of state, and people fly or drive down to pickup their car and drive it back home.

I might pop back to Ciocca one last time on our drive back home to Montreal this Sunday, just to take in the sight of all those C8's, one last time, to then drive back to that 3rd world country called Canada (at least for the automotive world), where the entire country's C8 imports are but a drop in the bucket compared to this one dealer alone or close to (sad to say but true).

Pics to be attached shortly, now back to my vacation .....
 
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* If you trade-in your used C8, they offer MSRP buy back, and top of the list with 8 weeks for new car
So if someone is willing to trade in their base C8 for what they paid and miss out on a $20 000 profit, they can by pass 1600 people waiting for a z06 and get the next available allocation?

also what I find very interesting is that the worlds biggest dealer received similar amount of C8s as the entire Canada, and that their customers are still waiting 14 months.
 
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To clarify, the decision to trade in a used C8 for MSRP and forgo $10k-$20k profit is based on the patience factor of not wanting to wait another 14+ months for a replacement car. So it depends on what that person wants, immediate trade-up or pocket the cash and wait the long wait for a new one like everyone else. To some, their time is worth more than the profit.

Also to clarify, I am pretty sure the trade-in and list bump would happen for the same car. Meaning trade-in a Stingray and wind up at the top of the Stingray list for a newer model, and not landing on the Z06 or e-Ray list, else everyone wanting a Z06 would be purchasing a Stingray and trading it in to land on the top of that list.

As for the 14 month wait with them, keep in mind that their list for a Stingray is thousands long not hundreds like ours
 
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That dealership gets a priority from GM. They are not being inconvenienced by any shortages because of that. End of story. Do NOT believe that they know anything we don't. Some, like Corvette blogger, have a LOT more info than they do as the entire community reads his words or gets it second hand.
 
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Never mind all this nonsense. You’ve seen the cars and various specs. What have you decided on? What’s your spec at this moment? AO, RB, HG, full body colour, CF roof and necelles? Inquiring minds need to know. 😃😂 choose carefully! 😜
 
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Great thread! Pics would be nice but yeah being the Worlds largest dealer for Corvettes I'm not surprised at such high inventory.

Were any available? They must see some higher than normal cancellations
 
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Great thread! Pics would be nice but yeah being the Worlds largest dealer for Corvettes I'm not surprised at such high inventory.

Were any available? They must see some higher than normal cancellations
Only one car I think was available, had a price on it of $94K I think (should be in the pics), the windows were open and roof was off, was inside the showroom, but was not allowed to sit inside of it. Other than that, with the aftermarket prices and value, they surprisingly do not see many cancellations, you would think they do with their list being in the thousands.
Never mind all this nonsense. You’ve seen the cars and various specs. What have you decided on? What’s your spec at this moment? AO, RB, HG, full body colour, CF roof and necelles? Inquiring minds need to know. 😃😂 choose carefully! 😜


BTW @CamsC8 , your EB with tan interior was there (in the pics), saw it in person, and you are right, VERY classy color combo !!!
Never mind all this nonsense. You’ve seen the cars and various specs. What have you decided on? What’s your spec at this moment? AO, RB, HG, full body colour, CF roof and necelles? Inquiring minds need to know. 😃😂 choose carefully! 😜
@JohnP you made me laugh out loud, you smelled my decision from miles away. Would love to say wait and see for suspense, but that will mean another 6-8 months based on Canadian allocations. So will make my statement public I guess, and you were right all this time. RB is a faster color :)

I tried to want the AO and HG, both being very popular colors, and colors I love. I just was feeling the RB more (I know Cam, smurf car). But the entire family loved it, unanimous. Not only that, was going to go with the grey interior, but when we all saw the Twilight Blue interior, well we just had to have it too. So moving up to 3LT now to get that interior.

HTC roof will be color, and I know everyone says Carbon Fiber does not make the car go faster and a waste of money, but man does it make the car seem like it goes faster. In one of the pics you see the high wing, 5VM skirts and splitter in CF and it looked gorgeous, family said hell yeah.

Will I get bored of it down the road, maybe, but for now, that's the color I'm going with. If I would drive the car for more seasons, I may have chosen HG, but to make it loud and pop for the summer months, RB it is. You can welcome me to the club now John :)
 
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Only one car I think was available, had a price on it of $94K I think (should be in the pics), the windows were open and roof was off, was inside the showroom, but was not allowed to sit inside of it. Other than that, with the aftermarket prices and value, they surprisingly do not see many cancellations, you would think they do with their list being in the thousands.



BTW @CamsC8 , your EB with tan interior was there (in the pics), saw it in person, and you are right, VERY classy color combo !!!

@JohnP you made me laugh out loud, you smelled my decision from miles away. Would love to say wait and see for suspense, but that will mean another 6-8 months based on Canadian allocations. So will make my statement public I guess, and you were right all this time. RB is a faster color :)

I tried to want the AO and HG, both being very popular colors, and colors I love. I just was feeling the RB more (I know Cam, smurf car). But the entire family loved it, unanimous. Not only that, was going to go with the grey interior, but when we all saw the Twilight Blue interior, well we just had to have it too. So moving up to 3LT now to get that interior.

HTC roof will be color, and I know everyone says Carbon Fiber does not make the car go faster and a waste of money, but man does it make the car seem like it goes faster. In one of the pics you see the high wing, 5VM skirts and splitter in CF and it looked gorgeous, family said hell yeah.

Will I get bored of it down the road, maybe, but for now, that's the color I'm going with. If I would drive the car for more seasons, I may have chosen HG, but to make it loud and pop for the summer months, RB it is. You can welcome me to the club now John :)
Welcome!!. Great decision! You should see the people flock to this colour especially with the blue interior. No pictures do it justice.

I would like to suggest, if I may. Should you go with body colour roof and necelles, get rid of all the black accents. I think the option is called “body-colour exterior accents” in other words, a solid RB car! It’s WICKED nice! You’re going to LOVE it!!

We all get bored eventually, that’s why I sold my Vette for a 911 and why I sold my 911 for a Vette. Car manufacturers feels no guilt separating you from your money 😜

Welcome again! Hoping you get your car soon!
 
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Great thread! Pics would be nice but yeah being the Worlds largest dealer for Corvettes I'm not surprised at such high inventory.

Were any available? They must see some higher than normal cancellations
Only one car I think was available, had a price on it of $94K I think (should be in the pics), the windows were open and roof was off, was inside the showroom, but was not allowed to sit inside of it. Other than that, with the aftermarket prices and value, they surprisingly do not see many cancellations, you would think they do with their list being in the thousands.
Never mind all this nonsense. You’ve seen the cars and various specs. What have you decided on? What’s your spec at this moment? AO, RB, HG, full body colour, CF roof and necelles? Inquiring minds need to know. 😃😂 choose carefully! 😜


BTW @CamsC8 , your EB with tan interior was there (in the pics), saw it in person, and you are right, VERY classy color combo !!!
Never mind all this nonsense. You’ve seen the cars and various specs. What have you decided on? What’s your spec at this moment? AO, RB, HG, full body colour, CF roof and necelles? Inquiring minds need to know. 😃😂 choose carefully! 😜
@JohnP you made me laugh out loud, you smelled my decision from miles away. Would love to say wait and see for suspense, but that will mean another 6-8 months based on Canadian allocations. So will make my statement public I guess, and you were right all this time. RB is a faster color :)

I tried to want the AO and HG, both being very popular colors, and colors I love. I just was feeling the RB more (I know Cam, smurf car). But the entire family loved it, unanimous. Not only that, was going to go with the grey interior, but when we all saw the Twilight Blue interior, well we just had to have it too. So moving up to 3LT now to get that interior.

HTC roof will be color, and I know everyone says Carbon Fiber does not make the car go faster and a waste of money, but man does it make the car seem like it goes faster. In one of the pics you see the high wing, 5VM skirts and splitter in CF and it looked gorgeous, family said hell yeah.

Will I get bored of it down the road, maybe, but for now, that's the color I'm going with. If I would drive the car for more seasons, I may have chosen HG, but to make it loud and pop for the summer months, RB it is. You can welcome me to the club now John :)

You can’t join a club till you get the car :) trust me in 8 months you’ll probably change your mind again and hear talk of crazy 2024 colours in purple and green with updated interior……. It Never Ends
 
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Reposting the Ciocca order / production / delivery list for all orders with status 3000 and up. You can see the sheer volume/allocations they are delivering. What is more interesting is that you can also see what model and color people are choosing from this large dealership, to see what is more or less popular out there.

One thing I would love to validate is if Canadian dealers really do have some privacy law to respect limiting their ability to have a similar online list for their dealership. I mean it’s not like names are listed here. Any Canadian dealers on here that can confirm this ? Spencers ??

 
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You can’t join a club till you get the car :) trust me in 8 months you’ll probably change your mind again and hear talk of crazy 2024 colours in purple and green with updated interior……. It Never Ends
Purple and green. Don’t forget your bell bottoms when you go pick up the car. Sounds like my dads cars 70’s making a comeback! 😜
 
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You can’t join a club till you get the car :) trust me in 8 months you’ll probably change your mind again and hear talk of crazy 2024 colours in purple and green with updated interior……. It Never Ends
Purple and green. Don’t forget your bell bottoms when you go pick up the car. Sounds like my dads cars 70’s making a comeback! 😜
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Ya the 70’s sure had some odd colours
 
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You won't regret your ''rapid'' choice. 😎
 
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I could drive RB , AO or AY but not for long term ownership, my Z06 will be a colour more subdued as I plan to keep it for many years, Neil you must be the most dedicated CCF member that doesn’t have a Corvette
 
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I could drive RB , AO or AY but not for long term ownership, my Z06 will be a colour more subdued as I plan to keep it for many years, Neil you must be the most dedicated CCF member that doesn’t have a Corvette

@Gilles Could not have said it better myself, the most dedicated non corvette owner just sitting around like the others, hanging out on here or visiting corvette dealers miles away from home just killing time waiting for someone to call me and say it is time to place your order. Until then you guys will just have to keep putting up with me.

And I agree with you, I think I need to do like you and Cam did, get the bright colors out of the way, own it for a while, and then settle down with something more neutral for the long haul if the opportunity presents itself to trade in for something else.
 
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Gilles27 is too old to pull off the Orange. He looks ridiculous driving around like he's trying to recapture his youth. I followed him driving around Kingston. Everyone was pointing and laughing...
 
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Gilles27 is too old to pull off the Orange. He looks ridiculous driving around like he's trying to recapture his youth. I followed him driving around Kingston. Everyone was pointing and laughing...

I agreed people where pointing because I had the best sounding C8, and you witnessed those Queens girls fighting for rides in Zorange
 

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