Elections Canada - Please Read post Number 1

[Rruuff Day]

Well.... Here's the latest....

"Justin Trudeau was the star witness on Wednesday and lobbed a hand grenade into the proceedings when he said he knew the names of Conservative parliamentarians who were engaged in foreign interference. "
Trudeau said he receives intelligence in his role as prime minister but doesn't use it for partisan gain.

There must be an election coming.

 

[LE BARON]

What gets me is why

Well.... Here's the latest....

"Justin Trudeau was the star witness on Wednesday and lobbed a hand grenade into the proceedings when he said he knew the names of Conservative parliamentarians who were engaged in foreign interference. "
Trudeau said he receives intelligence in his role as prime minister but doesn't use it for partisan gain.

There must be an election coming.

What gets me is why doesn't PP want to get clearance to view the documents.
More BS and YES, JT is playing political games with PP

 

[Vettenut]

Any thoughts from anyone on Canada becoming the 51st state ... ?

Will Trump pull a Putin on us ?

Ya think good ol Justin would be hired as Trump's trusty shine boy ?

Would there be line ups at the Costco booze cage ?

Ahhhh the possibilities ...

 

[Nik]

Any thoughts from anyone on Canada becoming the 51st state ... ?

Will Trump pull a Putin on us ?

Ya think good ol Justin would be hired as Trump's trusty shine boy ?

Would there be line ups at the Costco booze cage ?

Ahhhh the possibilities ...

I think power troll play with a soupsant of chaos politicking designed to keep us on our toes much like he's doing with GB, EU and rest of the world. On brand but not a real offer.

 

[DW Ruby]

Any thoughts from anyone on Canada becoming the 51st state ... ?

Will Trump pull a Putin on us ?

Ya think good ol Justin would be hired as Trump's trusty shine boy ?

Would there be line ups at the Costco booze cage ?

Ahhhh the possibilities ...

Taxes are obviously a big issue for most people, and in my opinion the only reason to even consider this.
The same portfolio will probably yield at least 30% more in after-tax dollars in the U.S. than in Canada.
That said, I think I would prefer to pay the extra and stay clear of Mr. Trump's ego.

 

[LE BARON]

Trump thinks/believes the USA is his company so he is looking for mergers and acquisitions, through any means. Don't know of any political "leader" that is going out hawking bibles, sneakers, coins, t-shirts, etc, etc. to get money out of the peoples pockets and in to theirs. He is already profiting from the election and pushing his agenda before assuming office. DT jr. is out there interfering in Greenland without being elected or even anointed for any position.
What I fear ( that is fear for our US neighbours) is in 4 yrs time he will either anoint himself for another 4 yrs or slip his family in to the job.
A good indication of how he operates is having Laura "elected" to run the RNC. First thing she does is fire just about fire everyone and put in her own "yes" personnel. Then she comes out saying ' O, I know that you would approve of us using some of the RNC funds to help my poor father fight these unconstitutional witchcraft proceedings from the DOJ". That is how DJT operates. He doesn't care about the cost of the lawyers because he is not paying out of his own pocket. He is more that willing to pursue others that he doesn't like as there is no cost to hum and his opponents do not have the unknowing American people backing their lawyers.
No mishap or occurrence has anything to do with him or his lackeys and all to do with his opponents, the Democrats. He and hsi lackeys are willing to push any and all falsehoods forward to blame his opponents for any and all misfortunes. Hurricanes, wildfires and anything else are manipulations of the Democrats. Just ask MTG!
Not that the DNC are saints, far from it, but the RNC reps seem to have a hold on spinelessness and brown noses. How many stood up after Jan 4th and said no more, this must end, How many had brown noses by the end of the month. They are all afraid of being primaried if DJT looks askance at them. So they co-toe to his every whim.

I would have had a bit more respect for JT if he would have stood up and called out DJT for what he is. A thieving. conniving liar and convicted criminal. DJT fought hard to get re-elected for himself so he wouldn't have to go to jail.
I would suggest reading about the rise of Nazism in Germany in the late 1920's. The similarities are striking similar to how DJT operates.

My rant for today

 

[LE BARON]

Always discussion over how much the Liberals of our tax payer dollars.
While JT was/is no saint he was beat soundly by BM Chretien and Harper are almost neck & neck while the only surplus was achieved by a Liberal government.
Always nice to have "facts", not fake news, on the table.
Much better than political slogans and posturing.
Hopefully we, as Canadians, can do a better job of filtering out political BS - from all parties

 

[Murray20c8]

Always discussion over how much the Liberals of our tax payer dollars.
While JT was/is no saint he was beat soundly by BM Chretien and Harper are almost neck & neck while the only surplus was achieved by a Liberal government.
Always nice to have "facts", not fake news, on the table.
Much better than political slogans and posturing.
Hopefully we, as Canadians, can do a better job of filtering out political BS - from all parties

One of the biggest problems is we have to listen to politicians! LOL!
They pick a topic and put their spin on it. USually just the opposite of what the other is saying and then justifying it with half truths and part of the facts.
As an example. Running a deficit means more cash for government supported projects like dental care or universal health care. It also means more jobs. More jobs means more taxes into the coffers. I'm far from an economist, but simply yelling how bad running a deficit is, is just wrong. Look at some of the wealthiest people in the world. Their money is in constant motion. Done properly you actually are using more money than you actually have.
Anyway, not to start an argument about which is right, the point is there are benefits to both sides and the answers are not always what appears on the surface. As citizens we must make the best choice we can make given the information we are given and as Le Baron says cut through the rhetoric to see the truth.

 

[LE BARON]

One of the biggest problems is we have to listen to politicians! LOL!
They pick a topic and put their spin on it. USually just the opposite of what the other is saying and then justifying it with half truths and part of the facts.
As an example. Running a deficit means more cash for government supported projects like dental care or universal health care. It also means more jobs. More jobs means more taxes into the coffers. I'm far from an economist, but simply yelling how bad running a deficit is, is just wrong. Look at some of the wealthiest people in the world. Their money is in constant motion. Done properly you actually are using more money than you actually have.
Anyway, not to start an argument about which is right, the point is there are benefits to both sides and the answers are not always what appears on the surface. As citizens we must make the best choice we can make given the information we are given and as Le Baron says cut through the rhetoric to see the truth.

The main reason for my post is that rather than slogans and saying how wrong the other guy is why not just put the "facts" clearly on the table to outline what you think is wrong with a proposal and on the opposite side they can do the same to justify their position. Right now all we have is everybody is wrong and no one is listening to the other side.
We pretty well all run deficits in our lives be it to buy a house (mortgage) or maybe even buy a car (C8ZR1). The big thing is to figure out how are we going to pay for it.
There has to be some accountability for the tax payers dollars that either party administers when elected.
Back to the chart - it just points out that supposed conservatives who, in theory are more conservative, can just as well outspend the liberals.
What we need are justifications for the spending. The governments money is not theirs to spend. It is OURS that we have entrusted them to administer to our benefit. And that can mean over spending at times but hopefully not all the time.

 

[Murray20c8]

The main reason for my post is that rather than slogans and saying how wrong the other guy is why not just put the "facts" clearly on the table to outline what you think is wrong with a proposal and on the opposite side they can do the same to justify their position. Right now all we have is everybody is wrong and no one is listening to the other side.
We pretty well all run deficits in our lives be it to buy a house (mortgage) or maybe even buy a car (C8ZR1). The big thing is to figure out how are we going to pay for it.
There has to be some accountability for the tax payers dollars that either party administers when elected.
Back to the chart - it just points out that supposed conservatives who, in theory are more conservative, can just as well outspend the liberals.
What we need are justifications for the spending. The governments money is not theirs to spend. It is OURS that we have entrusted them to administer to our benefit. And that can mean over spending at times but hopefully not all the time.

I agree totally, but I'm told that the platform only comes during the election campaigns. Until then we get the other side ranting on the other with half truths and fabricated or coloured facts.

 

[Rruuff Day]

Trump thinks/believes the USA is his company so he is looking for mergers and acquisitions, through any means. Don't know of any political "leader" that is going out hawking bibles, sneakers, coins, t-shirts, etc, etc. to get money out of the peoples pockets and in to theirs. He is already profiting from the election and pushing his agenda before assuming office. DT jr. is out there interfering in Greenland without being elected or even anointed for any position.
What I fear ( that is fear for our US neighbours) is in 4 yrs time he will either anoint himself for another 4 yrs or slip his family in to the job.
A good indication of how he operates is having Laura "elected" to run the RNC. First thing she does is fire just about fire everyone and put in her own "yes" personnel. Then she comes out saying ' O, I know that you would approve of us using some of the RNC funds to help my poor father fight these unconstitutional witchcraft proceedings from the DOJ". That is how DJT operates. He doesn't care about the cost of the lawyers because he is not paying out of his own pocket. He is more that willing to pursue others that he doesn't like as there is no cost to hum and his opponents do not have the unknowing American people backing their lawyers.
No mishap or occurrence has anything to do with him or his lackeys and all to do with his opponents, the Democrats. He and hsi lackeys are willing to push any and all falsehoods forward to blame his opponents for any and all misfortunes. Hurricanes, wildfires and anything else are manipulations of the Democrats. Just ask MTG!
Not that the DNC are saints, far from it, but the RNC reps seem to have a hold on spinelessness and brown noses. How many stood up after Jan 4th and said no more, this must end, How many had brown noses by the end of the month. They are all afraid of being primaried if DJT looks askance at them. So they co-toe to his every whim.

I would have had a bit more respect for JT if he would have stood up and called out DJT for what he is. A thieving. conniving liar and convicted criminal. DJT fought hard to get re-elected for himself so he wouldn't have to go to jail.
I would suggest reading about the rise of Nazism in Germany in the late 1920's. The similarities are striking similar to how DJT operates.

My rant for today

But a good rant Richard.

 

[Rruuff Day]

One of the biggest problems is we have to listen to politicians! LOL!
They pick a topic and put their spin on it. USually just the opposite of what the other is saying and then justifying it with half truths and part of the facts.
As an example. Running a deficit means more cash for government supported projects like dental care or universal health care. It also means more jobs. More jobs means more taxes into the coffers. I'm far from an economist, but simply yelling how bad running a deficit is, is just wrong. Look at some of the wealthiest people in the world. Their money is in constant motion. Done properly you actually are using more money than you actually have.
Anyway, not to start an argument about which is right, the point is there are benefits to both sides and the answers are not always what appears on the surface. As citizens we must make the best choice we can make given the information we are given and as Le Baron says cut through the rhetoric to see the truth.

I agree. You are far from an economist. And admittingly so am I but Richard has a point.

"We pretty well all run deficits in our lives be it to buy a house (mortgage) or maybe even buy a car (C8ZR1). The big thing is to figure out how are we going to pay for it."

We all look to the future. To a time when our mortgage is paid off, our new C8ZR1 is paid for, and we have a surplus to allow us to live a bit more comfortably and without worry. The people that form our governments don't look towards a time when the debt is paid off because they don't care. That's just a number on a piece of paper to them and it doesn't affect their personal pocketbook or their lives. Our debt grows by $100 million dollars every second.
So it boils down to debt being good only if it is managed properly. If your family spent like our government, you would be in deep financial trouble with no way out, and when the financial institutions that carries your debt finally says 'enough is enough', bankruptcy or suicide will be your only options.
The government's only way out is to raise taxes and cut spending, which 99% of the population will go ballistic over once again, because like most (if they even understood national debt), they think it's just a number on a piece of paper that doesn't affect their lives either. There will come a time when we reach a 'junk' debt status, and massive cuts to spending will be the only way out, and that my friends is something that will open everyone's eyes.

 

[Vettenut]

Ahhh yes good ol Dougie is gonna be calling for an election soon here in Ontario ...

The official reason ....

The real reason .....

 

[Vettenut]

Gotta love Danielle Smith .... wish she was leading Ontario instead of ... well you know ...

 

[1st Vette]

Gotta love Danielle Smith .... wish she was leading Ontario instead of ... well you know ...

She certainly has a pair…..you are getting an election call next week I think so we will find out what the majority think of Doug . He does oddly seem to be quite popular given the negative press he receives. Will be interesting to watch. I believe that they are maybe 20 points ahead in the polls.

 

[Vettenut]

She certainly has a pair…..you are getting an election call next week I think so we will find out what the majority think of Doug . He does oddly seem to be quite popular given the negative press he receives. Will be interesting to watch. I believe that they are maybe 20 points ahead in the polls.

Yes well thats in part of the fact that the other choices are just as ridiculous as him and people will stick with what they know I guess..
If Im not mistaken ... the last election ... when he won ... was the lowest voter turn out in Ontarios history ... and hes calling the election because he knows he will win after buying votes with scrapping the lic plate fee and this ridiculous 200$ "gift" to Ontario voters .
The Ontario PCs are constantly running ads on TV and radio reminding us of Pig Pens generosity ... on our dime
IMO this "man" is as crooked as the day is long .... what will be interesting to watch here is the voter turn out ... as I , myself will probably not even waste my time going to vote as I physically cannot with a straight face put an X beside any of these lunatics names .
And of course that is the same as giving each of them a vote . ...

 

[LE BARON]

Gotta love Danielle Smith .... wish she was leading Ontario instead of ... well you know ...

I don't know if DS is not just playing her cards like all politicians. Oil is "sacred" to the Albertan psyche so that is her (Lord have mercy on me) Trump card. She has already been down there to cut a side deal probably but that doesn't seem to have worked out from hearing DJT's latest crap statement.
We all have to remember DJT is fast and furiously playing to his baseless maga supporters. He'll say anything to get the "boys" jumping up and down waving the flag with "We don't need anyone else" catch phrases.
The $hit would hit the fan if we just said, OK, we won't sell you anything then. Now that would hurt like hell for us but it just about the only language he'll understand. Especially when the price of cars and wood and just about everything else goes up down there. They might even have a hard time producing quite a few things if we didn't sell them nickel, aluminum, wood and ,yes, oil & gas. Electricity cut be curtailed as well.
Maybe some fruits and vegetables would go down for them if we didn't but from them.

Not for $hit hitting the fan but if we could spread just a little on his face it would make for a happy day.

 

[Murray20c8]

I don't know if DS is not just playing her cards like all politicians. Oil is "sacred" to the Albertan psyche so that is her (Lord have mercy on me) Trump card. She has already been down there to cut a side deal probably but that doesn't seem to have worked out from hearing DJT's latest crap statement.
We all have to remember DJT is fast and furiously playing to his baseless maga supporters. He'll say anything to get the "boys" jumping up and down waving the flag with "We don't need anyone else" catch phrases.
The $hit would hit the fan if we just said, OK, we won't sell you anything then. Now that would hurt like hell for us but it just about the only language he'll understand. Especially when the price of cars and wood and just about everything else goes up down there. They might even have a hard time producing quite a few things if we didn't sell them nickel, aluminum, wood and ,yes, oil & gas. Electricity cut be curtailed as well.
Maybe some fruits and vegetables would go down for them if we didn't but from them.

Not for $hit hitting the fan but if we could spread just a little on his face it would make for a happy day.

The point he is missing is it will hurt ALL consumers. On BOTH sides of the borders. He thinks it will fill his coffers, but justwait when people stop buying and his coffers (deficit) goes the wrong way.

 

[Murray20c8]

Yes well thats in part of the fact that the other choices are just as ridiculous as him and people will stick with what they know I guess..
If Im not mistaken ... the last election ... when he won ... was the lowest voter turn out in Ontarios history ... and hes calling the election because he knows he will win after buying votes with scrapping the lic plate fee and this ridiculous 200$ "gift" to Ontario voters .
The Ontario PCs are constantly running ads on TV and radio reminding us of Pig Pens generosity ... on our dime
IMO this "man" is as crooked as the day is long .... what will be interesting to watch here is the voter turn out ... as I , myself will probably not even waste my time going to vote as I physically cannot with a straight face put an X beside any of these lunatics names .
And of course that is the same as giving each of them a vote . ...

Dougie didn't win either election. The Libs lost both with their idjet leaders.
That could happen federally as well with the idiot PP at the helm. Against gay and women's rights.
But then again go figure why women and blacks voted for Trump!

 

[LE BARON]

The point he is missing is it will hurt ALL consumers. On BOTH sides of the borders. He thinks it will fill his coffers, but justwait when people stop buying and his coffers (deficit) goes the wrong way.

DJT doesn't give a crap about how much it will hurt the USA. All he wants is to rake in money for himself and his family. All he says is sound bites to believe he has their interest at heart.
Mexicans will pay for the border wall, price of eggs will come down on day one, etc, etc.