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Yes I realize I am late but I don't really want to put my name down with a deposit (not required now) without knowing what the pricing is. It doesn't seem reasonable to me, but that's just me.
Z06 USA price leak
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Deposits are fully refundable, so no risk other than the interest lost on the money. The 2 per year quote seems unlikely to me if it was one of the two large forum dealers. When I placed my deposit with one of them, they were thinking they would receive 15 - 20 per year.
- Jun 22, 2016
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~ 15-20 seems to make sense if ~30% are Z06. Like I said above, he told me they get around 100 per year. I am in no rush as I don't want the first year anyway. I want to see what the pricing is and have a pretty clear understanding of what the reliability and list of issues will be like. Having said that, I will likely have to wait until C9 and then they will all be electric. 
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There is some belief that the U.S. will get most of the Z06 allocations at least for the first year. Most going to the big three U.S. dealers
- Feb 23, 2009
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GM is pushing more and more to be a global car company, so I don’t see that happening. We’ll get our fair share as the US buyers aren’t going anywhere.
I’m number 78 at one of the big sponsors here and was told 4-5 years back in October…
I’m number 78 at one of the big sponsors here and was told 4-5 years back in October…
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Well I've now looked at the past stats for what we see in Canada for the C8's (more recently) and the Z06's in particular, in past years. Here goes:
-2022: 25,831 C8's made; not known yet how many came to Canada
-2021: 26,216 made; 1,887 came to Canada (7.2%)
-2020: 20,368 made; 1,490 to Canada (7.3%)
-2019: 34,822 made; 2,986 to Canada (8.6%); 6,937 Z06 made (included in the total of 34,822 made for 12.2% of the entire 2019 C7 production); 848 to Canada (12.2% of the Z06 production). FYI the US got 5,771 Z06's (83.2%) since less than 5% went elsewhere in the world
-2018: 9,686 made; 587 to Canada (6%); 2,802 Z06 made or 28.9% of the entire 2018 C7 production; 228 to Canada (8.1% of the Z06's made); this was a very low production year
-2017: 32,782 made; 2,268 to Canada (6.9%); 7,273 Z06 made or 22.2% of the entire 2017 C7 production; 772 to Canada (10.6% of the Z06's made)
-2016: 40,689 made; 1,793 to Canada (4.4%); 14,275 Z06 made or 35% of the entire 2016 C7 production; 513 to Canada (3.6% of the Z06's made)
-2015: 34,240 made; 1,556 to Canada (4.5%); 8,653 Z06 made or 25.27% of the entire 2015 C7 production; 329 to Canada (3.8% of the Z06's made)
The questions are:
1. what the total C8 production in 2023 will be, due to part shortages. You'd think with the interest/demand for the C8 generation, GM will try to produce as many as possible and try for the 2016 year total of 40,000;
2. what percentage of Z06's will be made, out of the entire 2023 C8 production (25%? 33%? something different?); again, with the demand for the Z06, GM will likely try to produce as many as possible and try to avoid alienating the Stingray want-to-be-buyers;
3. what percentage of 2023 Z06's made, will come to Canada. I agree with Zedder above that GM will not want to alienate its Canadian market, so it should try to distribute the Z06 in the same proportions but perhaps that's just wishful thinking on my part.
Judging by past years, I wonder about the 2015 to 2017 years, since demand in Canada may not have been high for Corvettes then (?). The 2018 year should be ignored, since it was such a low production year compared to the others. The 2019 year (the last year of the C7 with demand up, especially for the Z06?) may be a good year to reference but it's interesting to note that Z06's made up only 12.2% of the 2019 production run, which is a lot lower than prior years. I wonder if anyone can explain why. Or perhaps only GM will know that, from the orders received in 2019 and whether (for example) they filled all orders for the 2019 Z06.
It's also interesting to note that in the 2017/2018 years, Canada actually received a higher percentage of Z06's (10.6%/8.1%) compared to the over-all percentage of C7's received (6.9%/6%).
But stats can be interpreted many ways and the big questions are #1 to 3 above.
HOWEVER: if we assume 30,000 2023 C8's produced with supply market problems better resolved from the "practice years" of 2020-2022, and the same percentage of them come to Canada, compared to the 2020 and 2021 years (7.25% average of those 2 years) that would see Canada get 2,175 C8's of either type (30,000 X 7.25%). Then if we take the "the lower percentage" of 25% Z06's made within that (I can't see GM making less, for its "flagship version" C8), that will see 544 Z06's coming to Canada. That would be 7.25% of the entire projected Z06 run (544 divided by 7,500) which is less than what Canada got in the 2017 to 2019 years. Hopefully that's the worst-case scenario, but after considering the above stats, I'm now not so optimistic I'll see my Z06 by the Spring of 2023. I'lll have to find an old lamp on a deserted beach some where, which will magically spout a genie when rubbed to improve my odds...
-2022: 25,831 C8's made; not known yet how many came to Canada
-2021: 26,216 made; 1,887 came to Canada (7.2%)
-2020: 20,368 made; 1,490 to Canada (7.3%)
-2019: 34,822 made; 2,986 to Canada (8.6%); 6,937 Z06 made (included in the total of 34,822 made for 12.2% of the entire 2019 C7 production); 848 to Canada (12.2% of the Z06 production). FYI the US got 5,771 Z06's (83.2%) since less than 5% went elsewhere in the world
-2018: 9,686 made; 587 to Canada (6%); 2,802 Z06 made or 28.9% of the entire 2018 C7 production; 228 to Canada (8.1% of the Z06's made); this was a very low production year
-2017: 32,782 made; 2,268 to Canada (6.9%); 7,273 Z06 made or 22.2% of the entire 2017 C7 production; 772 to Canada (10.6% of the Z06's made)
-2016: 40,689 made; 1,793 to Canada (4.4%); 14,275 Z06 made or 35% of the entire 2016 C7 production; 513 to Canada (3.6% of the Z06's made)
-2015: 34,240 made; 1,556 to Canada (4.5%); 8,653 Z06 made or 25.27% of the entire 2015 C7 production; 329 to Canada (3.8% of the Z06's made)
The questions are:
1. what the total C8 production in 2023 will be, due to part shortages. You'd think with the interest/demand for the C8 generation, GM will try to produce as many as possible and try for the 2016 year total of 40,000;
2. what percentage of Z06's will be made, out of the entire 2023 C8 production (25%? 33%? something different?); again, with the demand for the Z06, GM will likely try to produce as many as possible and try to avoid alienating the Stingray want-to-be-buyers;
3. what percentage of 2023 Z06's made, will come to Canada. I agree with Zedder above that GM will not want to alienate its Canadian market, so it should try to distribute the Z06 in the same proportions but perhaps that's just wishful thinking on my part.
Judging by past years, I wonder about the 2015 to 2017 years, since demand in Canada may not have been high for Corvettes then (?). The 2018 year should be ignored, since it was such a low production year compared to the others. The 2019 year (the last year of the C7 with demand up, especially for the Z06?) may be a good year to reference but it's interesting to note that Z06's made up only 12.2% of the 2019 production run, which is a lot lower than prior years. I wonder if anyone can explain why. Or perhaps only GM will know that, from the orders received in 2019 and whether (for example) they filled all orders for the 2019 Z06.
It's also interesting to note that in the 2017/2018 years, Canada actually received a higher percentage of Z06's (10.6%/8.1%) compared to the over-all percentage of C7's received (6.9%/6%).
But stats can be interpreted many ways and the big questions are #1 to 3 above.
HOWEVER: if we assume 30,000 2023 C8's produced with supply market problems better resolved from the "practice years" of 2020-2022, and the same percentage of them come to Canada, compared to the 2020 and 2021 years (7.25% average of those 2 years) that would see Canada get 2,175 C8's of either type (30,000 X 7.25%). Then if we take the "the lower percentage" of 25% Z06's made within that (I can't see GM making less, for its "flagship version" C8), that will see 544 Z06's coming to Canada. That would be 7.25% of the entire projected Z06 run (544 divided by 7,500) which is less than what Canada got in the 2017 to 2019 years. Hopefully that's the worst-case scenario, but after considering the above stats, I'm now not so optimistic I'll see my Z06 by the Spring of 2023. I'lll have to find an old lamp on a deserted beach some where, which will magically spout a genie when rubbed to improve my odds...
No question about that.
Canada and overseas will get 5% each of ZO6 production and the US will get the remaining 90%.
It has always been that way!
- Jun 22, 2016
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Well I gave the dealer my drivers license and he put me on the waiting list. I told him I would hopefully talk to him in 10 years. It would be hilarious to see where I am on the list. He didn't know. With the number of cars coming to Canada (previous years included) it would be interesting to know if GM is meeting demand or leaving money on the table. I assume GM likes money. I have money to give them but likely won't be able to. Pretty funny business model. I get the parts shortage, but that's why I would like to know if they meet demand for previous years where parts were not an issue.
As you can see from your numbers, Canada received just under 5% of ZO6 production for the first 2 years of the new C7 model.
This was the same for the C6 ZO6 too.
The US receives 90% of ZO6 production the first 2 years, the following years their % tends to drop to between 80-85% of production and
Canada is shipped a 50% increase. (from 5% to 7.5% of production)
- Jun 7, 2016
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Which dealer? Top 3 in Ontario waitlists are 7+ years long, likely similar story for all the small dealerships too at this point.
- Jun 22, 2016
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Wilson-Niblett.
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Im spot #35 at WN, They're around 170-200 on the z06 waitlist now so about 6-7 years long based on their 2019 z06 delivery numbers. Brian Cullen is the same. At this point people are better off going on the eray list, they likely won't even make 7 production years of the z06.
- Jun 22, 2016
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I'll take my chances I guess. I have no interest in the Eray.
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I have no interest in the eray, so if i cant get the z06 i will keep my 2021 stingray HTC. Also keep in mind that very many people are on multiple lists including all 3 of the top dealers, so as soon as 1 of them delivers 1 z06, the list gets shorter at all 3 dealers.
- Jun 7, 2016
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Except when they decide to purchase more than 1 to flip, with how in demand they are don't expect many people to be dropping off waitlists.
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You just never know. Things and circumstances change for people all the time. I doubt the ones near the top will drop, but the middle ones certainly could. Some get tired of waiting while some decide to move on to the next "latest and greatest" thing to come along. It happened with the Stingray and it will likely happen with the Z06. Covid has taken its toll on the economy already, but other things can happen. Stay tuned!
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I was at a Z06 showing at a dealer in Florida in March. The factory rep told me your looking approx. at $ 96000 base in the USA. The one at the showing was loaded and was told would be around $ 130000
- Jun 22, 2016
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That price in USA dollars never seems to be a direct exchange rate conversion when determining the price in Canada. I wonder what that price ends up looking like in Canada.
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If you have to ask, you can't afford one!
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Those prices are a guess on the part of the dealer, since GM hasn't yet released pricing for the 2023 Z06. It's widely believed amongst the "US Corvette crowd" that the base price will be around US$90,000 but that's also speculation, based on how reasonably priced the base 2020 C8 Stingray was, when it first came out. Hopefully GM will put an end to this speculation soon, by releasing pricing in the States...followed by Canada. And Steve Pringle is right: the Canadian pricing usually doesn't come close to the exchange rate equivalent of the US pricing...so we Canadians get a bargain on pricing and people from the US will try to purchase new C8's in Canada to take down to the States...which GM strongly frowns upon.
