No Z51 this month.

wlgj said:
Wow , it really is, a lot faster , ordering from Ontario dealers.
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you bet, and I still consider that slow. Like I told you before, there was no way in hell I was going to drop a deposit to any Quebec dealer, the volume is just not here, my quick investigation with the one next to me in Brossard (a physically huge dealer) revealed that they were getting maybe 1 max 2 per month, where as the big 3 get (without the plant shutdowns and few extreme winter months), around 6-10 a month. Used to be 10 on average when I signed up. Those big 3 in ON is our equivalent of Ciocca (on a much smaller scale of course).

Then again, many here have stories of dealing with their small local mom & pop dealer and going onto a short list, so even with 1 allocation a month, still moves fast when you are #5 or #10.

So depends how much homework you do, how much time you have to call around, and if you are willing to travel out of province to go get your car (or pay to have it shipped).

In our case ON is an easy and pleasant drive so why not. And BS is around 4-4.5 hours from Mtl.
 
Neils said:
you bet, and I still consider that slow. Like I told you before, there was no way in hell I was going to drop a deposit to any Quebec dealer, the volume is just not here, my quick investigation with the one next to me in Brossard (a physically huge dealer) revealed that they were getting maybe 1 max 2 per month, where as the big 3 get (without the plant shutdowns and few extreme winter months), around 6-10 a month. Used to be 10 on average when I signed up. Those big 3 in ON is our equivalent of Ciocca (on a much smaller scale of course).

Then again, many here have stories of dealing with their small local mom & pop dealer and going onto a short list, so even with 1 allocation a month, still moves fast when you are #5 or #10.

So depends how much homework you do, how much time you have to call around, and if you are willing to travel out of province to go get your car (or pay to have it shipped).

In our case ON is an easy and pleasant drive so why not. And BS is around 4-4.5 hours from Mtl.
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My Quebec dealership , when I first ordered, was getting 6 to 7 a year, before covid. I was 14th , on the list. Since covid, they get, 1 to 3 a year , at most. I finally got mine January 20th 2023 and brought it home 31/01/2023. Waited 35+ months. Can t wait, for spring. I have learned my lesson though. I had inquired in Ontario , back in 2020 but nobody would call me back, so I gave up on that , too soon I guess . I had ordered a non Z51 but constraint forced me to take the Z51 but I do not regret it because I take my cars to Napierville at least 4 to 5 times a year.
 
DenisC8 said:
I really want to see the 2023 production breakdown, I think it will be better than 2022 but not by much
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I wish they'd expand the facility, but I guess they didn't realize how popular the midengined design would be.
 
Murray20c8 said:
I wish they'd expand the facility, but I guess they didn't realize how popular the midengined design would be.
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Why would they expand? They have created an artificial market. Everything built is sold, dealers are making, at a minimum msrp, and buyers are standing in hours long lineups just to get on a list. I would even speculate that production not meeting demand is deliberate.

In Russia they have bread lines and in North America we have C8 lines….
 
Cariboocreek said:
Why would they expand? They have created an artificial market. Everything built is sold, dealers are making, at a minimum msrp, and buyers are standing in hours long lineups just to get on a list. I would even speculate that production not meeting demand is deliberate.

In Russia they have bread lines and in North America we have C8 lines….
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Quantity = profit. Plain and simple.
 
Thom said:
The demand may not always be there. The Corvette is a niche car. Demand is high now, likely due to the new mid engine design. Demand may not always support a larger facility. Going to a third shift would work, but parts supply is still an issue.
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We've been told several times that a third shift is not an option. Also, they don't necessarily need to do all Corvettes there if the platform becomes a more versatile one. But yes, parts are still an issue and might be for several more years yet.
 
Murray20c8 said:
Guys, don't forget that the RHD versions really cut into the CDN allocations
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Sorry I don't understand this comment, Canada has limited allocations to begin with and now all of the RHD are being taken from the Canadian allocation? We are such a small player in terms of numbers, I would suspect they would deplete the USA allocation since many orders are not likely real customers! My dealer said I am next in line when they get allocation. So they would take a sold order and push it out for a RHD order? Interesting if true.
 
Cannonball Rally said:
Sorry I don't understand this comment, Canada has limited allocations to begin with and now all of the RHD are being taken from the Canadian allocation? We are such a small player in terms of numbers, I would suspect they would deplete the USA allocation since many orders are not likely real customers! My dealer said I am next in line when they get allocation. So they would take a sold order and push it out for a RHD order? Interesting if true.
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After RHD GM took allocations away from Canada and gave them to Europe and Australia. They did NOT take any away from the USA.
 
Thom said:
The demand may not always be there. The Corvette is a niche car. Demand is high now, likely due to the new mid engine design. Demand may not always support a larger facility. Going to a third shift would work, but parts supply is still an issue.
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with spending 30 yrs in the Auto Mfg industry, you can't just 'add a 3rd shift'!! Typically, the 8 hrs of downtime between shifts is when Maintenance is done to all the equipment, and you can't just add 500 workers and start building.....the amount of training req'd, and time it takes to get everyone up to line-speed takes a very long time, so just 'adding' a 3rd shift is next to impossible....
 
butsy said:
with spending 30 yrs in the Auto Mfg industry, you can't just 'add a 3rd shift'!! Typically, the 8 hrs of downtime between shifts is when Maintenance is done to all the equipment, and you can't just add 500 workers and start building.....the amount of training req'd, and time it takes to get everyone up to line-speed takes a very long time, so just 'adding' a 3rd shift is next to impossible....
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But they did it for a 2nd shift right (the training), which they did not have before. So that one I think is possible with time. I do agree the more challenging point is maintenance on the machinery, but am curious, does a factory really need a full shift of maintenance per day ? If a machine breaks or is due for a replacement part due to wear, perhaps, but doubt it's the entire line requiring servicing for 8 hours. Inquiring minds want to know.

I truly believe that the demand for this car will not die down at all, it has officially reached and likely surpassed most other (higher end) sports and exotic cars. Even with all of the C8's available on the used market, most people would prefer to just wait on their existing list and pay a bit more to order it the way they want. So SR demand I think will remain high, but the one out of control that will be hard to catch up on is every other model, just too little production with 3-5+ years of wait lists at each dealer. So I strongly believe it is in their best interest to find another building, tool up, train up, and move production of the non SR models there. With the future announcements of the ZR1 and Zora, it will just keep slowing down the production of SR & E-Ray and Z06 and they will never catch up.

Who knows, perhaps what someone said on here is true (with my analogy added). If you owned a fairly popular clothing store, restaurant, or club, you want that hype, you want that long line outside your place, to create buzz, an interest, draw attention. Sure they could build more and make more, and have money falling at their feet that they would not know what to do with (think screaming anxious men waving their credit cards / bank checks saying take my money please). I guess it is a fine balance for keeping the demand (and wait time) high, while producing just enough to get people a car within a 14-24 month timeframe.
 
Neils said:
But they did it for a 2nd shift right (the training), which they did not have before. So that one I think is possible with time. I do agree the more challenging point is maintenance on the machinery, but am curious, does a factory really need a full shift of maintenance per day ? If a machine breaks or is due for a replacement part due to wear, perhaps, but doubt it's the entire line requiring servicing for 8 hours. Inquiring minds want to know.

I truly believe that the demand for this car will not die down at all, it has officially reached and likely surpassed most other (higher end) sports and exotic cars. Even with all of the C8's available on the used market, most people would prefer to just wait on their existing list and pay a bit more to order it the way they want. So SR demand I think will remain high, but the one out of control that will be hard to catch up on is every other model, just too little production with 3-5+ years of wait lists at each dealer. So I strongly believe it is in their best interest to find another building, tool up, train up, and move production of the non SR models there. With the future announcements of the ZR1 and Zora, it will just keep slowing down the production of SR & E-Ray and Z06 and they will never catch up.

Who knows, perhaps what someone said on here is true (with my analogy added). If you owned a fairly popular clothing store, restaurant, or club, you want that hype, you want that long line outside your place, to create buzz, an interest, draw attention. Sure they could build more and make more, and have money falling at their feet that they would not know what to do with (think screaming anxious men waving their credit cards / bank checks saying take my money please). I guess it is a fine balance for keeping the demand (and wait time) high, while producing just enough to get people a car within a 14-24 month timeframe.
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all I'm saying is, its sounds way easier than done to add another shift, or find another building...(it's not just a metal shed they are putting up!!)....But why would any Plant even think about increasing Production #'s when the supply chain can sustain it's current #'s for all Manufacturers....the company I used to work for still is not back to full capacity because of Parts Supply....So I'm pretty sure, increasing production #'s is not even a remote consideration until the Supply Chain is back to normal, which is still years away...
 
butsy said:
...So I'm pretty sure, increasing production #'s is not even a remote consideration until the Supply Chain is back to normal, which is still years away...
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Agreed, but your point was made correctly in your earlier post IMO. There are only 24 hours in a day. As it is there is downtime between 8 hour shifts. All of which is bargained for in the agreement. That leaves a way less than 8 hours left. One would have to subsection or renegotiate the bargaining agreement to facilitate hours in a work day. No easy task.
I'm no expert, but in larger facilities a third shift works on a duplicate assembly line. In a perfect world (no parts issues because of covid) the facility could be expanded to build the proposed (preposterous) Corvette SUV along side the car.
 
AxeZ06 said:
There's no need for another assembly plant or a 3rd shift. All they need to do is crank up production at BGA. 11-12 cars per hour is nothing.
At one time I remember we pumped out 66 units an hour (blue oval). 55-65 /hr was norm.
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Slight increases aren't difficult...3-5 second tac time for the line....anymore, some Equipment changes are probably req'd. We used to crank out over 100 cars / hr, it all depends on the line layout....Another plant would probably never be feasible, but a line expansion, which happens alot, is more likely if demand remained out of control, but I doubt that would happen due to parts supply.....
 
butsy said:
Slight increases aren't difficult...3-5 second tac time for the line....anymore, some Equipment changes are probably req'd. We used to crank out over 100 cars / hr, it all depends on the line layout....Another plant would probably never be feasible, but a line expansion, which happens alot, is more likely if demand remained out of control, but I doubt that would happen due to parts supply.....
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Sometimes, slower is better, for quality. Ask any women!
 

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