New Lobbying presented for another ban on firearms.

[Timbo]

There are numerous laws that are not followed for one reason or another yet hey exist. Getting rid of laws because a few decide they don't apply to them has nothing to do.."

If its a law, it should be followed no matter if you think its valid or not. Until its repealed by a court, an OIC or an act of Parliament, it must be followed.

"And the 80% majority you mention ... I wonder what percentage of the 80% actually has correct knowledge of firearms and in what area and by what source conducted the polling. I doubt it was done in western Canada."

The source was posted, was it not? The amount of knowledge doesnt matter, people vote based on what they know now. Many people dont follow the govt closely but they still vote for instance. I am educated on firearms and I support the national ban on semi auto's because they are the weapon of choice for school shooters, mass shooters like the one in NS and terrorists. And it was national poll so the west would certainly have been represented. Seems to me you just dont like the results.

You said criminals dont follow the law ..that has be about the most obvious DUH ever said. Of course they dont otherwise they wouldnt be criminals. What was your point in saying that then?

 

[Rruuff Day]

"I am educated on firearms"

I'd be interested in what program or class your education in firearms was acquired.

 

[Cariboocreek]

I'd be interested in what program or class your education in firearms was acquired.

The Liberal School of “pew pew”.

 

[YFCvii]

I don't knopw about that Rruuff. SN is looking for a place to hang his leaf blower! LOL

Nope
Took the gas-powered device to another thread … a Kijiji thread
… and poof its someone else’s problem now.

… being pulled to frickin leisure boating drama popping up in another jurisdiction. Stupid “town hall” to attend in a week. Feds started this one too. Restrictive Governing BS is affecting everything.
Continue on with your firearm stuff …
all I got is a file folder of papers after cleaning out from past firearm advocacy (over a decade ago I think)

 

[Rruuff Day]

Nope
Took the gas-powered device to another thread … a Kijiji thread
… and poof its someone else’s problem now.

… being pulled to frickin leisure boating drama popping up in another jurisdiction. Stupid “town hall” to attend in a week. Feds started this one too. Restrictive Governing BS is affecting everything.
Continue on with your firearm stuff …
all I got is a file folder of papers after cleaning out from past firearm advocacy (over a decade ago I think)

I avoided that paperwork...

 

[YFCvii]

I avoided that paperwork...

In a simple past, I was a pretty happy dude when I received my FAC many moons ago … now among the “I remember when…” stories to bore the youngins with …
Continuing advocacy in regards to what gets dragged into this mess still annoys me though.

 

[Timbo]

I'd be interested in what program or class your education in firearms was acquired.

You would, would you?

Not that its any of your business, but my dad took to me to his shooting range club outside of Oakville every two weeks during the spring/summer/fall from age 8 to 14. My dad was a reloader, shooting was his hobby and passion and he passed it along to me. I can reload as well. Both the guns I have, a 12 gauge and a .22, were given to me by him and the .22 is a customized walnut stock beauty with a great German scope. Its a ton of fun for plinking. I sold the bolt action .308 Winchester I owned for deer 7 years ago. I also attended NRA sanctioned firearm safety and hunter safety courses as a teen. I've been shooting and hunting my whole life.

Whats your pedigree?

 

[Timbo]

The Liberal School of “pew pew”.

Childish.

 

[Black 03 Z06]

 

[LE BARON]

I can hear where you are coming from Black. I wouldn't provide any sustenance to them either from what I heard

 

[Black 03 Z06]

Funny you post that up @LE BARON. Every evening I sit down with a nice scotch and relax with Tension from Isolation. So calming makes me forget the guns I lost in my tragic boating accident.

 

[LE BARON]

Funny you post that up @LE BARON. Every evening I sit down with a nice scotch and relax with Tension from Isolation. So calming makes me forget the guns I lost in my tragic boating accident.

To each their own Black. I always used to say the Rap is Crap until I heard a few that I liked. So now they are on my thumb drive in the Vette. Of course there were a lot of "parents" who didn't like Elvis or the Beatles either.
Don't like Scotch but I'll sit down with you with a Rum & Coke in hand while you have your whisky. I do occasionally have a Brandy or Cognac though.
Otherwise you'll have to refer to my post 17 in this thread.

 

[Black 03 Z06]

@LE BARON Ok, let me know when you are going to stop by I will have some Newcastle Brown Ale or Smithwicks for you. I have never been much of a beer drinker but like ICE Cold Sol, maybe Pacifico if no Sol and somehow a Coors Light typically quenches a thirst on a hot or cold day. Distance wise we probably are not that far apart.

Even weirder I still don't much care for the Beatles!

 

[LE BARON]

@LE BARON Ok, let me know when you are going to stop by I will have some Newcastle Brown Ale or Smithwicks for you. I have never been much of a beer drinker but like ICE Cold Sol, maybe Pacifico if no Sol and somehow a Coors Light typically quenches a thirst on a hot or cold day. Distance wise we probably are not that far apart.

Even weirder I still don't much care for the Beatles!

You wouldn't by chance be at the Kingston get together in June?

 

[Rruuff Day]

But at least our Government spends what they milk out of us wisely.........
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The Feds are trying to take 2500 different models of firearms from law abiding owners. The buy back program they offer amounts to half or less of what the firearms are worth. Maybe if they gave them all to our military, they could claim the amount they spent on the next NATO defense spending submission and save a few billion off the debt.

 

[Murray20c8]

The Feds are trying to take 2500 different models of firearms from law abiding owners. The buy back program they offer amounts to half or less of what the firearms are worth. Maybe if they gave them all to our military, they could claim the amount they spent on the next NATO defense spending submission and save a few billion off the debt.

I know it sounds stupid, but there are too many guns in the hands of criminals. Gotta start somewhere. I know you have thoughts on that, but start another thread and I'd be happy to listen. That is unless you shoot me with your AK47.

 

[1st Vette]

I know it sounds stupid, but there are too many guns in the hands of criminals. Gotta start somewhere. I know you have thoughts on that, but start another thread and I'd be happy to listen. That is unless you shoot me with your AK47.

The criminals will absolutely, no doubt , be the first ones to either turn in or register their weapons . Being honest compliant upstanding citizens, lol.

 

[Murray20c8]

The criminals will absolutely, no doubt , be the first ones to either turn in or register their weapons . Being honest compliant upstanding citizens, lol.

I'm trying to have an open conversation. Please don't get ridiculous. If they aren't available to steal then that's one less gun.

 

[Rruuff Day]

@Murray20c8 @1st Vette

You both make good points but they need some refining... The old adage of 'when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns' is true to a point. Criminals or criminal wanna-be's will not be turning in their firearms. But Murray's point has some merit as well (I know. it was a surprise to me too... ).
Canada insists on safe storage of firearms and ammunition. This does not mean being behind a locked door in your house or hidden under the bed or in a closet. I have a 36 gun firearms safe that weighs 700 pounds empty. My firearms can not be accessed and stolen unless the thief travels with a skid steer. Not to say that everyone abides by the law and has their firearms safely stored does lend credence to the point that guns do get stolen but on the same token, it is a fact that most guns used in robberies and murders have been smuggled in from the US.
Canada can ban all the guns they want but that won't stop guns from coming into the country and then yes....at that point only outlaws will have guns which doesn't improve the situation and takes away an opportunity for self defense, short of a baseball bat or a knife. Which supports the other adage of 'Don't take a knife to a gun fight.' At the end of the day, Unlike the US, Canadians don't have a constitutional right to bear arms but we DO have the right by Canadian Law for self defense. That right allows us to protect life and property to extent that we can match the threat imposed upon us. If it is considered a lethal threat, and we have the ability we can match that threat. So what is considered a lethal threat? If we are threatened by an intruder with a knife...with a gun... or even a baseball bat, that has been substantiated by precedent that that is a lethal threat. If an intruder enters your home and threatens to kill you, that also meets my criteria for a lethal threat and I would hope it meets a judges as well.
Many shirk at the prospect of taking someone's life but in those instances, to protect mine and my families we need to do what we need to do. Calling the police if fine but 45 minutes later when you and your family are lying in a pools of blood is not a good picture when they arrive with traces of jelly donuts on their lips. Here's a little ditty on police response time.
A man wakes up at night to a noise. A criminal is attempting to get in to his house. He calls the police and they tell him they can't get there for 30 minutes. He calls them back a minute later and says "no rush I shot him". Minutes later several police cars come screaming into his yard and catch the burglar red handed. The officer confronts the owner and says " you said you shot him?' The man said "you said you couldn't get here for 30 minutes."

I have an alarm system and a few years ago my alarm company calls me and advised that my alarm has been triggered and the police have been called. I was at work and I left for home. I got home in about 10 minutes and it turned out to be a false alarm so I called my alarm company and advised them to let the police know so as not to waste their time. Since I was home and it was mid afternoon, I stayed there and my lawn mower was calling my name. Almost 2 hours later, a police car pulls into my driveway and said he got a call that my alarm company alerted them to a break in. Such is life on a farm in a rural area. Not sure if it's the same in an urban center or not, but I learned that calling the police is great but don't count on them to protect your home or save your life.

It's an interesting topic for sure and Canadian people have their own reasons for thoughts on both ends of the spectrum.

 

[Murray20c8]

@Murray20c8 @1st Vette

You both make good points but they need some refining... The old adage of 'when guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns' is true to a point. Criminals or criminal wanna-be's will not be turning in their firearms. But Murray's point has some merit as well (I know. it was a surprise to me too... ).
Canada insists on safe storage of firearms and ammunition. This does not mean being behind a locked door in your house or hidden under the bed or in a closet. I have a 36 gun firearms safe that weighs 700 pounds empty. My firearms can not be accessed and stolen unless the thief travels with a skid steer. Not to say that everyone abides by the law and has their firearms safely stored does lend credence to the point that guns do get stolen but on the same token, it is a fact that most guns used in robberies and murders have been smuggled in from the US.
Canada can ban all the guns they want but that won't stop guns from coming into the country and then yes....at that point only outlaws will have guns which doesn't improve the situation and takes away an opportunity for self defense, short of a baseball bat or a knife. Which supports the other adage of 'Don't take a knife to a gun fight.' At the end of the day, Unlike the US, Canadians don't have a constitutional right to bear arms but we DO have the right by Canadian Law for self defense. That right allows us to protect life and property to extent that we can match the threat imposed upon us. If it is considered a lethal threat, and we have the ability we can match that threat. So what is considered a lethal threat? If we are threatened by an intruder with a knife...with a gun... or even a baseball bat, that has been substantiated by precedent that that is a lethal threat. If an intruder enters your home and threatens to kill you, that also meets my criteria for a lethal threat and I would hope it meets a judges as well.

We had a case recently where the homeowner used a gun on an intruder. It turned out the intruder didn't have a gun. I can't remember the specifics but the homeowner was charged. I'm with you 100%. We should have the right to use whatever means necessary to defend our home. If a guy 6'6" breaks into my home with a baseball bat do I have any chance of defensing myself with my own baseball bat! No F'n way. Give me a gun. Not a knife, not pepper spray. I'd rather do the time than have my wife injured in some way.

I refuse to kill for food. I let someone else do it. I know it's hypocritical but that's I can't even take the life of an animal. That said I have no issue with others killing for food. I do have an issue with killing for sport though. Go kill moving targets at a target range or use a camera on a rifle stock.

Now on to guns themselves. I don't see any possible reason why a gun owner wouldn't register their weapons. Again it might be virtually useless but it would help motivate gun owners to properly store their weapons.

Yes, most guns used in crimes are unregistered and are smuggled in from the U.S. That needs to be addressed for sure! It's hypocritical of the government to concentrate their efforts on guns legally owned by citizens. But it would help, no matter how little, to get illegally owned guns confiscated and destroyed.

Another issue is 3D printed guns. How can we stop those?