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Read that on Saturday.
It's about time:
"A move to re-examine Drive Clean has been reignited after concerns were raised in Auditor General Jim McCarter
It's about time:
"A move to re-examine Drive Clean has been reignited after concerns were raised in Auditor General Jim McCarter
A mechanic friend tells me that many vehicles that came in with the check-engine light on, in the past, had no trouble passing.
Now, they won't even hook them up to the testing equipment.
Remove the bulb? As soon as they read the computer and it shows that the light would be on....FAIL. It may be clean, but the bulb fails it.
:swear:
Any cars I buy for pleasure, from now on, will be 1987 or older.
Now, they won't even hook them up to the testing equipment.
Remove the bulb? As soon as they read the computer and it shows that the light would be on....FAIL. It may be clean, but the bulb fails it.
:swear:
Any cars I buy for pleasure, from now on, will be 1987 or older.
if they are moving to O.B.D. testing what does this mean to vehicles that are not computer equipped ?
Tests at two rpm levels and a tailpipe visual. Even though my '89 K1500 has an OBDI connector, they will do the rpm tests because it's not OBDII equipped.
My question is what about a early OBD. (1) like is in my 88. I would imagine they will have an adapter for their plug?
Case. any car older than 88 is not subject to the emission test.
Case. any car older than 88 is not subject to the emission test.
this all now makes the targeting of supposedly exempt vehicles even sillier. one would think a tail pipe visual on 35 year old cars should be adequate.
You must still have all the original emissions equipment installed that would have come on the car when new. When we bought our '69 L78 Chevelle in '97, it had headers. These engines came with the smog pump in '69. Rather than looking over my shoulder for MOE goons, I spent the money and installed the original style smog manifolds and pump. When we got a very good offer on the car, it was gone. I'm sick and tired of the games the government plays. Everyone seemed to get different stories from the MOE guys. My MPP gave me the name of the go-to Moe guy for answers. I may still have his number around. A friend of mine, a retired policeman, got to the guy first. He talked to the guy for 45 minutes and the go-to guy really had no answers for the questions put to him. It's nothing more than income for them, something like $30 million a year from emissions testing alone. I have yet to have a vehicle fail the test and usually have four or five around. Even our our '87 S-10 truck, that won't die, passed with flying colours the last year it had to be tested and it had its original converter. The real crazy part is, they don't even test to see if things are working as designed.
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Well it was already answered but:
The latest news about Drive Clean (other than the auditor general’s observations) is that, as of Jan. 1, a new test will read your car’s computer history to see if your vehicle meets emission standards. The new Drive Clean test will obtain emissions control systems results directly from the vehicles’ on-board diagnostics (OBD) system.
In my Chevelle, there is no computerized OBD. The owner is the OBD system meaning knowing if something is wrong using your eyes, nose, and ears when driving it. I hoped it would be exempt!
I like to follow this as Saskatchewan is behind in all of this required testing and it worries me that they may bring it in to follow other provinces. If it's getting scrapped, there is hope it will never make it's way here. Fingers crossed.
The latest news about Drive Clean (other than the auditor general’s observations) is that, as of Jan. 1, a new test will read your car’s computer history to see if your vehicle meets emission standards. The new Drive Clean test will obtain emissions control systems results directly from the vehicles’ on-board diagnostics (OBD) system.
In my Chevelle, there is no computerized OBD. The owner is the OBD system meaning knowing if something is wrong using your eyes, nose, and ears when driving it. I hoped it would be exempt!
I like to follow this as Saskatchewan is behind in all of this required testing and it worries me that they may bring it in to follow other provinces. If it's getting scrapped, there is hope it will never make it's way here. Fingers crossed.
Riley, No testing on pre-'88 passenger vehicles.
Here's a useful link for most questions on the subject:
Drive Clean - Ministry of the Environment
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Here's a useful link for most questions on the subject:
Drive Clean - Ministry of the Environment
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the M.O.E. nazi's have more power than god and can force you to have your pre-88 car tested at their whim. :swear:
From the gov't website:
"1988 to 1997 model year vehicles require a different test. Find a Drive Clean facility equipped to test older vehicles at driveclean.com".
I can't go to my local Chevy dealer to have the next e-test on my 1989 Chevy K1500, because it is an OBD1-equipped vehicle. Have to find another location that does those tests - Drive Clean - Find a Test Facility - Ministry of the Environment
And the madness continues...
"1988 to 1997 model year vehicles require a different test. Find a Drive Clean facility equipped to test older vehicles at driveclean.com".
I can't go to my local Chevy dealer to have the next e-test on my 1989 Chevy K1500, because it is an OBD1-equipped vehicle. Have to find another location that does those tests - Drive Clean - Find a Test Facility - Ministry of the Environment
And the madness continues...
Oh that's wonderful.
My 88 will have to go to the city to be done. No one in Caledonia that has the ability.
Now what about all the guys that bought the Dino equipment a few years back....at $100 grand or more. I guess it was a worth while deal for them.
My 88 will have to go to the city to be done. No one in Caledonia that has the ability.
Now what about all the guys that bought the Dino equipment a few years back....at $100 grand or more. I guess it was a worth while deal for them.
Well, what a can of worms this new Drive Clean testing system is. How do I know? Read on. This is going to be a long one so you may wish to pour a drink. I know I will.
My 2004 Tahoe got rejected by the new computer system this afternoon. "No e-Test pass for you".
A couple of weeks prior to my licence sticker renewal date, I started smelling gasoline inside the Tahoe. When I got it on my hoist, I found rusty fuel lines coming out of the fuel pump on the top of the fuel tank. These are the portion of the lines that are part of the pump so the pump is kaput. Okay, so I ordered a new fuel pump that came from the U.S.
When it arrived, I dropped the tank only to discover that the fuel lines further ahead of the tank were badly rusted (thanks Ministry of Transportation for spraying that crap all over our highways). The local Chevy dealer says they'll be almost a week coming from the U.S. 'cause there are none in Canada.
Now, as you can imagine, I had to disconnect the battery to perform these tasks. OH-OH!!!!!! HERE'S WHERE IT GETS STUPID!!!
Never disconnect your battery if you are within a few weeks of having one of the new e-tests. There is now insufficient information in the on-board computer for the ALL-SEEING/ALL-KNOWING GOVERNMENT computers to evaluate the emissions performance of the vehicle.
So, because of important repairs (not blowing up sounds important to me....you?) I can't get an e-test and can't legally drive the vehicle to complete the required drive cycles to inform the on-board computer. Why? Cause now my sticker has expired.
The dealer's service advisers say that many cars that have been repaired recently are now failing under the new system.
So, I ask them how many drive cycles I have to perform to get the computer happy? They don't know and the GOVERNMENT can't tell them.
I ask them what a drive cycle is? They say it's an unknown combination of engine-off-for-eight-hours; drive-with-A/C-and-rear-defroster-on; drive-in-stop-and-go-traffic;-drive-at-highway-speeds; sometimes-with-A/C-and-rear-defrost-on-and-sometimes-with-them-off. I ask them how it can be unknown. They answer that some people have been re-tested more than once and continue to fail until it finally passes.
HUH???
I ask them what percentage of tested vehicles pass under normal circumstances. 98% NINETY-BLOODY-EIGHT PERCENT PASS and we're going through this bull****?
I ask how I'm supposed to perform these drive cycles without a valid licence sticker. Nobody knows.
AND THE MADNESS CONTINUES... :swear:
My 2004 Tahoe got rejected by the new computer system this afternoon. "No e-Test pass for you".
A couple of weeks prior to my licence sticker renewal date, I started smelling gasoline inside the Tahoe. When I got it on my hoist, I found rusty fuel lines coming out of the fuel pump on the top of the fuel tank. These are the portion of the lines that are part of the pump so the pump is kaput. Okay, so I ordered a new fuel pump that came from the U.S.
When it arrived, I dropped the tank only to discover that the fuel lines further ahead of the tank were badly rusted (thanks Ministry of Transportation for spraying that crap all over our highways). The local Chevy dealer says they'll be almost a week coming from the U.S. 'cause there are none in Canada.
Now, as you can imagine, I had to disconnect the battery to perform these tasks. OH-OH!!!!!! HERE'S WHERE IT GETS STUPID!!!
Never disconnect your battery if you are within a few weeks of having one of the new e-tests. There is now insufficient information in the on-board computer for the ALL-SEEING/ALL-KNOWING GOVERNMENT computers to evaluate the emissions performance of the vehicle.
So, because of important repairs (not blowing up sounds important to me....you?) I can't get an e-test and can't legally drive the vehicle to complete the required drive cycles to inform the on-board computer. Why? Cause now my sticker has expired.
The dealer's service advisers say that many cars that have been repaired recently are now failing under the new system.
So, I ask them how many drive cycles I have to perform to get the computer happy? They don't know and the GOVERNMENT can't tell them.
I ask them what a drive cycle is? They say it's an unknown combination of engine-off-for-eight-hours; drive-with-A/C-and-rear-defroster-on; drive-in-stop-and-go-traffic;-drive-at-highway-speeds; sometimes-with-A/C-and-rear-defrost-on-and-sometimes-with-them-off. I ask them how it can be unknown. They answer that some people have been re-tested more than once and continue to fail until it finally passes.
HUH???
I ask them what percentage of tested vehicles pass under normal circumstances. 98% NINETY-BLOODY-EIGHT PERCENT PASS and we're going through this bull****?
I ask how I'm supposed to perform these drive cycles without a valid licence sticker. Nobody knows.
AND THE MADNESS CONTINUES... :swear:
damn right nobody knows and to cap it off they don't care either !!! it's just pay us and like it or lump it. there is no one to complain to BECAUSE nobody knows or cares. it would be nice to see a politician's family member to be in the bind that you are bob.
Don't you love how the government is making us safe from ourselves. 
You want to know what is really stupid is the fact that a provincial program is not implemented province wide. I'm not complaining... because there is no drive clean program where I live; just pointing out another stupid government boondoggle.
You want to know what is really stupid is the fact that a provincial program is not implemented province wide. I'm not complaining... because there is no drive clean program where I live; just pointing out another stupid government boondoggle.
One of the dumbest things I have read for a while. No one knows because then it can be figured out, then it can be analyzed, then they'll have to justify their jobs and costs put into the program, then they'll have to be accountable. I would like to call this, voo-doo-politics.
They have just complicated the scam a little more. If everyone would send an e-mail to their MPP, they might eventually get the message. Emissions from cars is a small part of the environment problem these days. Look at the numbers on your emissions tests.
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