Why the high price increase? Lets look at the numbers...

Looking for everyone's input here as already today I read a comment that it's a business and GM is in the business to make money. Let's look at what's happened to get here. In 2020 GM produces 20368 first year C8's 1490 come to Canada for 7.3%. In 2021, 23573 were produced and we got 1887 for 7.2%. In 2022 they start building right hand drives with 23503 produced, our allocations slips to 1014 cars which is -875 cars for 3.9% production but where did the cars go? Europe got 693 of them for a selling price of approx $30,000 US more per car than those cars the previous year that sold in Canada, and Australia and New Zealand got 212 of them for approx 60K more per car than selling them in Canada. Yes I know that adds up to 905 cars more than the 875 we lost but Mexico, Japan, and the Middle East lost cars as well. In total it is estimated that GM made 33.5 million dollars more by selling our cars in Europe and down under where the freight cost was an extra $15,000 to get there. Perhaps additional profit on the shipping costs as well?
So, on Tuesday August 15th the factory that started building the 2023's on Friday May 20th, 2022 built the 40,000th Stingray. Add 70ths, Z06's at 4486 plus Z06's 70th's plus 216 Captured Test Fleet Z06's we now have 49,600 built chasing the 1979 record of 53,803 and now need to build 205 a day from now until September 11th when the final 2023's and the first 2024's are scheduled to go down the line together similar to what happened at the start of the 2023 build.
Canada has from the numbers I can gather 2730 C8's that have been sent here for a 5.5% allocation. The 2023 production has surpassed the 2021 and 2022 production combined but Canada is still down in allocation percentage compared to 2020 and 2021, but better than 2022's. Next to the US that gets 91% of the allocation, Canada gets the most year after year. Our exchange rate on the car had been 25.16814% in 2023 and Murray indicated subsidies were over and GM had pushed the rate to 35%. Others suggested policies in Ottawa to create more taxes. I have it from a credible source last week that GM zone management still feels that this is a low volume car and is a small piece of the business in the grand scheme of things to the profitability of the company. GM Corporate may look at things differently. They see that Canadian cars produce the least amount of profit compared to anywhere else that they sell the car. It actually costs less to buy the car in Canada than it does in the US using the exchange rate. Then they see Canadian cars being exported back into the USA and they think Canada doesn't need as many cars if that is happening. They know cars are being sold for a profit, and they would prefer to capitalize on more profits and discourage exporting. They know that regardless of GM Canada's lack of support for the Corvette, with the under 3000 cars a year they're sending to us they will all sell, and if they're going to continue sending Canada cars, they need to up profits by increasing the car by 12K which is 10K more than the US price increase and 15K more for the Z06 in order to justify sending cars here. Yoju Casino is your ticket to a world of gaming excellence. Dive into a galaxy of slot games, each with its unique theme and exciting features. Our canadian-gambling.guide bonuses and promos will supercharge your gaming experience, and our trusted payment options ensure your deposits and withdrawals are hassle-free and swift. Join our community of winners today! They could still make 30-50k more by sending our cars again to Europe, the Middle East and Australia than selling them here and make millions more in profits. We can only speculate here, but after 70 years of buying all eight generations of Corvettes compared to 2 years in other countries with factory spec cars, I think Canada has earned some goodwill and that's why we get what we do.
If we want to keep getting 2000-3,000 cars per year, and keep our allocations in the 5-7% range, were going to have to start paying for that or our allocation will drop back down to 3.9% and they will sell our cars for higher profits elsewhere. Another point here is that this just isn't happening with Corvette. Cadillac has had similar price increases during 2023 and an Escalade V is now over $200,000 Canadian dollars. I believe Corporate is now demanding a more balanced price between the US and Canada to discourage flipping and exporting and to increase profits.
GM Canada is just complying with the head office memo in this case, as deep down it's just a "small piece" of the business compared to trucks and suv's.
From all my sources, that's the reason why the price changed Tuesday the way it did, and the world market and demand for this car finally caught up to us and Corporate has spoken.
I value all of your input and if you have heard anything about this, the discussion is open.
It's clear that there are significant changes happening with Corvette allocations and pricing, and it's a topic that many of us are concerned about. The shift in allocation percentages and the increase in prices are causing some speculation and discussion.

It seems that GM's perspective on the Corvette's role in the business has evolved, and they may be looking at ways to maximize profits. This includes adjusting prices to create a more balanced price between the US and Canada and potentially discouraging flipping and exporting.

It's also important to consider that similar pricing changes have been observed with other GM vehicles, like Cadillac Escalades, indicating a broader corporate strategy.
 
It's clear that there are significant changes happening with Corvette allocations and pricing, and it's a topic that many of us are concerned about. The shift in allocation percentages and the increase in prices are causing some speculation and discussion.

It seems that GM's perspective on the Corvette's role in the business has evolved, and they may be looking at ways to maximize profits. This includes adjusting prices to create a more balanced price between the US and Canada and potentially discouraging flipping and exporting.

It's also important to consider that similar pricing changes have been observed with other GM vehicles, like Cadillac Escalades, indicating a broader corporate strategy.
Welcome Jerome, not sure if you know but our price increase was 6 times what the 2024 price increase was in the US, so many are a little upset about being hit all at once with the price balancing.
 
It's clear that there are significant changes happening with Corvette allocations and pricing, and it's a topic that many of us are concerned about. The shift in allocation percentages and the increase in prices are causing some speculation and discussion.

It seems that GM's perspective on the Corvette's role in the business has evolved, and they may be looking at ways to maximize profits. This includes adjusting prices to create a more balanced price between the US and Canada and potentially discouraging flipping and exporting.

It's also important to consider that similar pricing changes have been observed with other GM vehicles, like Cadillac Escalades, indicating a broader corporate strategy.
GM never really care about flipping otherwise they would control dealers selling over MSRP. I've never heard or experienced Corvettes from Canada being exported to USA. Very few corvettes were sold at MSRP in early years and even at MSRP after you add duty/tax/transport its still cheaper for a USA resident to stay buy local.
 
GM never really care about flipping otherwise they would control dealers selling over MSRP. I've never heard or experienced Corvettes from Canada being exported to USA. Very few corvettes were sold at MSRP in early years and even at MSRP after you add duty/tax/transport its still cheaper for a USA resident to stay buy local.

There are lots of Canadian Corvettes for sale in Washington.
 
Very few corvettes were sold at MSRP in early years
I'm not sure where you got that from, if I understand you correctly. Almost all dealers on both sides of the border sold the C8 at MSRP. The few exceptions seem to be on the West coast for some reason, but still they were few and far between.
 
I'm not sure where you got that from, if I understand you correctly. Almost all dealers on both sides of the border sold the C8 at MSRP. The few exceptions seem to be on the West coast for some reason, but still they were few and far between.
Dealers are not allowed to sell over MSRP in Ontario unless the vehicle is used.
 
I am talking about GM not the Dealers.
It's well documented that the Corvette is a low volume car especially for Canada and expecting it to keep the company in the black is a recipe for disaster.
Sure the car is profitable and a big success right now, but GM sold over 1.9 million units in 2022 and only 25,165 of them were C8's.
 
Dealers are not allowed to sell over MSRP in Ontario unless the vehicle is used.

Thats actually not the case. No where in any OMVIC regs or GM dealer agreements does it say that you cannot sell a vehicle for over MSRP. MSRP is a SUGGESTED retail price. Dealers are free to set their own prices. That being said, it seems to be socially unacceptable to partake in selling for over MSRP at a new dealership, but it definitely happens.
 
Like adding GM's AFM to a Corvette in the first place. I think most people would generally assume that anyone that can afford to buy one of these supercars, probably isn't too concerned about gas mileage. Although this price increase news has exposed that as questionable.
I run premium in my Wrangler fairly often, and it is, what it is.
My understanding is that the AFM is added not so much for the Vette, but to help maintain GM’s government required brand-wide EPA threshold.
 

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Thats actually not the case. No where in any OMVIC regs or GM dealer agreements does it say that you cannot sell a vehicle for over MSRP. MSRP is a SUGGESTED retail price. Dealers are free to set their own prices. That being said, it seems to be socially unacceptable to partake in selling for over MSRP at a new dealership, but it definitely happens.
Yes, and they can be fined for doing it and fined if an advertised vehicle price is not the actual price.
 
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Why bother buying a car that's going to choke to death on it's own fuel in a few years, then?
Why recommend a premium fuel for your Corvette, at all?
Yes, grab an over-priced, styling, boxy electric Mustang and enjoy the stress of constantly looking for fuel opportunities instead. Go Vette Go!!!
 
Looking for everyone's input here as already today I read a comment that it's a business and GM is in the business to make money. Let's look at what's happened to get here. In 2020 GM produces 20368 first year C8's 1490 come to Canada for 7.3%. In 2021, 23573 were produced and we got 1887 for 7.2%. In 2022 they start building right hand drives with 23503 produced, our allocations slips to 1014 cars which is -875 cars for 3.9% production but where did the cars go? Europe got 693 of them for a selling price of approx $30,000 US more per car than those cars the previous year that sold in Canada, and Australia and New Zealand got 212 of them for approx 60K more per car than selling them in Canada. Yes I know that adds up to 905 cars more than the 875 we lost but Mexico, Japan, and the Middle East lost cars as well. In total it is estimated that GM made 33.5 million dollars more by selling our cars in Europe and down under where the freight cost was an extra $15,000 to get there. Perhaps additional profit on the shipping costs as well?
So, on Tuesday August 15th the factory that started building the 2023's on Friday May 20th, 2022 built the 40,000th Stingray. Add 70ths, Z06's at 4486 plus Z06's 70th's plus 216 Captured Test Fleet Z06's we now have 49,600 built chasing the 1979 record of 53,803 and now need to build 205 a day from now until September 11th when the final 2023's and the first 2024's are scheduled to go down the line together similar to what happened at the start of the 2023 build.
Canada has from the numbers I can gather 2730 C8's that have been sent here for a 5.5% allocation. The 2023 production has surpassed the 2021 and 2022 production combined but Canada is still down in allocation percentage compared to 2020 and 2021, but better than 2022's. Next to the US that gets 91% of the allocation, Canada gets the most year after year. Our exchange rate on the car had been 25.16814% in 2023 and Murray indicated subsidies were over and GM had pushed the rate to 35%. Others suggested policies in Ottawa to create more taxes. I have it from a credible source last week that GM zone management still feels that this is a low volume car and is a small piece of the business in the grand scheme of things to the profitability of the company. GM Corporate may look at things differently. They see that Canadian cars produce the least amount of profit compared to anywhere else that they sell the car. It actually costs less to buy the car in Canada than it does in the US using the exchange rate. Then they see Canadian cars being exported back into the USA and they think Canada doesn't need as many cars if that is happening. They know cars are being sold for a profit, and they would prefer to capitalize on more profits and discourage exporting. They know that regardless of GM Canada's lack of support for the Corvette, with the under 3000 cars a year they're sending to us they will all sell, and if they're going to continue sending Canada cars, they need to up profits by increasing the car by 12K which is 10K more than the US price increase and 15K more for the Z06 in order to justify sending cars here. They could still make 30-50k more by sending our cars again to Europe, the Middle East and Australia than selling them here and make millions more in profits. We can only speculate here, but after 70 years of buying all eight generations of Corvettes compared to 2 years in other countries with factory spec cars, I think Canada has earned some goodwill and that's why we get what we do.
If we want to keep getting 2000-3,000 cars per year, and keep our allocations in the 5-7% range, were going to have to start paying for that or our allocation will drop back down to 3.9% and they will sell our cars for higher profits elsewhere. Another point here is that this just isn't happening with Corvette. Cadillac has had similar price increases during 2023 and an Escalade V is now over $200,000 Canadian dollars. I believe Corporate is now demanding a more balanced price between the US and Canada to discourage flipping and exporting and to increase profits.
GM Canada is just complying with the head office memo in this case, as deep down it's just a "small piece" of the business compared to trucks and suv's.
From all my sources, that's the reason why the price changed Tuesday the way it did, and the world market and demand for this car finally caught up to us and Corporate has spoken.
I value all of your input and if you have heard anything about this, the discussion is open.
This is an excellent analysis. Do you have any information on the hst portion of pricing since perhaps prior to this price hike the exchange amount plus 13% hst brought the total cost on par with US prices and presumably GM Canada gets the benefit of hst recovery.
 

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