I have no doubt they bargained / asked for something in return, but it could be something as simple as a benefit for their constituents. Or, like me, they don't like PP
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Funny because they apparently had no problems running under his leadership during the last election. These people could have done the honorable thing and chosen to not follow his lead right from the start.
What we are witnessing is the "Natural governing party of Canada" (not my term but their's) seizing control UNDEMOCRATICALLY. But as I mentioned, at least it's out in the open for everyone to see. It's the only transparent thing they've done for the last 11 or 12 years!
What we are witnessing is the "Natural governing party of Canada" (not my term but their's) seizing control UNDEMOCRATICALLY. But as I mentioned, at least it's out in the open for everyone to see. It's the only transparent thing they've done for the last 11 or 12 years!
The Libs didn't "seize" power. They used the rules to form a minority government. Something the Conservatives have also done. If someone votes without realizing this can happen then they are not informed. Minority governments are still run with the majority of people since other parties must agree to all that is done democratically. The majority still rules.
No, of course they're not trying to seize power. How stupid of anyone to think otherwise. HAHAHAHAHA.
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Never in history here or in the entire Westminster system around the world has a floor crossing resulted in the change from a minority to a majority government.
To be honest, if I was promised free trips around the world every few weeks, I would cross the floor too. Carney's trips in year one alone cost the taxpayers $1.84 million. Now. If he secures all the trade support we envision, that may be money well spent. But look at the side expenses. $524,000 was spent on in-flight catering ... think about that... That would feed a typical Canadian family for 30 years.... $158,000 of that was the catering bill for one overseas trip. His catering bill for a 2 hour flight to Washington was $21,000. What the phuck! That feeds a family of 4 for more than a year....
Now... For your benefit Murray, PP would likely have done the same thing...or maybe not...
Bev would be proud of him.........
Their arrogance knows no bounds.....of course that applies to all parties but seemingly especially to the self described " natural governing party " which pretty well speaks for itself.
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‘Light on and a door open’ for all who support ‘immutable’ Liberal principles: MacKinnon
Following the surprise floor-crossing of longtime Conservative MP Marilyn Gladu to the Liberal benches, Government House Leader Steven MacKinnon won’t say whether there’s a red line on which defecting MPs the Liberals will or won’t bring into their caucus.
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"The only people who seem to be complaining about floor crossers are those who are not receiving the floor crossers."Their arrogance knows no bounds.....of course that applies to all parties but seemingly especially to the self described " natural governing party " which pretty well speaks for itself.
‘Light on and a door open’ for all who support ‘immutable’ Liberal principles: MacKinnon
Following the surprise floor-crossing of longtime Conservative MP Marilyn Gladu to the Liberal benches, Government House Leader Steven MacKinnon won’t say whether there’s a red line on which defecting MPs the Liberals will or won’t bring into their caucus.
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Tell that to the multitude of crossover constituents that live in a solid Conservative riding. Read some of the news....
‘This is a Conservative riding, and this Liberal has no business being here’: Shock, anger in Marilyn Gladu’s home riding
In Marilyn Gladu’s home riding of Sarnia-Lambton-Bkejwanong, jaws could not have dropped further on Wednesday. Even those supporting her decision to cross the floor to the Liberal Party of Canada cannot believe that, of all MPs on Conservative benches, she has done it.
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Have no fear though they are going to save us with AI . Had to copy/paste. No link available. Vague , well yes . Naive, certainly. Maybe they can finally fix their employee pay system which was rolled out in 2016 . There are STILL at least 133,000 affected. Anyway make of this what you will.... no mention of cost which to be honest I'd rather not know.
Speaking at the Liberal national convention in Montreal over the weekend, Prime Minister Mark Carney continued his uncritical embrace of artificial intelligence technologies. To cheers from the assembled Liberals, he promised “AI for all.”
Here’s the quote in context:
When we build physically, we’re building inclusively, sustainably, and in solidarity. And these same values must hold when we build virtually, because AI — artificial intelligence, the defining technology of our era — is arriving and the question is not whether AI will transform our lives. It will. The question is whether it will improve the lives of all Canadians, or benefit only some.
Our goal is AI for all, AI governed by Canadian values, AI accountable to Canadians, AI that serves Canadians. AI for all can make the jobs of Canadian workers more rewarding, and done right — and we must do this right — AI in health care can mean shorter wait times and better service. AI in education can meet every child where they are, and AI in government can mean a government that works better for you.
As with many AI-related promises, this one doesn’t define what Carney means by AI — a term that can encompass everything from chatbots and text summaries to data analysis. It can refer to coding tools, apps that identify birds and plants, tools decoding and translating ancient languages, text transcription, video generation, and on and on and on.
Maybe that’s what Carney means when he says “AI for all” — that these are multifaceted tools that can be made useful in many different fields. But if the term is so broad it becomes meaningless, you might as well say a computer for all, or a phone for all. Or maybe a toolbox for all.
(I think that’s a great idea. Everyone starting off on their own should have a good toolbox stocked with the basics.)
Beyond definitions though, this is exactly the kind of meaningless promise we have come to expect from vague AI boosterism. It isn’t coming, it’s already here. The question is not whether or not it changes our lives. It will. The issue is settled. There is an inevitability to it all. So, rather than having a debate on fundamental issues, we’re reduced to making sure that our AI is particularly Canadian, and serves all Canadians.
This is classic federal Liberal Party rhetoric, of course. Capitalism, but nicer. Just don’t look too hard at all the massive cuts. And as for the health care promise, that’s long been the best way to sell Canadians on anything.
I have no doubt machine learning can help improve health care delivery. In fact, I’m interviewing an industrial engineer with Nova Scotia Health this afternoon, and this is one of the things I’m going to ask her about. I’ve also spoken with industrial engineers in the past, who have told me about how they are using machine learning to make emergency departments more responsive, and to provide other health care improvements.
But that is a far cry from “AI for all.” There is plenty of evidence of AI making workers’ jobs worse, if not outright eliminating them. In many cases (translation and graphic design, to name two) the AI tools do a worse job than humans but bosses don’t care because it saves them money.
Is AI making government work better? We’ll have to wait for an assessment of things like the new CRA chatbot. It certainly doesn’t seem to be making immigration work better, with stories like that of graduate student Kémy Adé, whose permanent residency application was rejected after an AI-led review of her file got her job responsibilities wrong.
And Carney’s claim that AI in education “can meet every child where they are” is beyond depressing. You know who can meet children where they are really, really well? Teachers.
As I was writing this, I was thinking ‘boy, will I look like a fool if this turns out that this video of Carney is a fake itself.’ It was posted to Bluesky, and who knows? So I navigated over to CPAC, where I could watch Carney’s entire address and make sure it was real. If you are interested in watching the AI bit, it comes at around the 52-minute mark.
One under-discussed impact of all the AI-generated texts and songs and videos is the low-key stress of constantly wondering if whatever you’re looking at is real, and, I suppose, longer term, what these tools will mean for our definition of what is real.
Speaking at the Liberal national convention in Montreal over the weekend, Prime Minister Mark Carney continued his uncritical embrace of artificial intelligence technologies. To cheers from the assembled Liberals, he promised “AI for all.”
Here’s the quote in context:
When we build physically, we’re building inclusively, sustainably, and in solidarity. And these same values must hold when we build virtually, because AI — artificial intelligence, the defining technology of our era — is arriving and the question is not whether AI will transform our lives. It will. The question is whether it will improve the lives of all Canadians, or benefit only some.
Our goal is AI for all, AI governed by Canadian values, AI accountable to Canadians, AI that serves Canadians. AI for all can make the jobs of Canadian workers more rewarding, and done right — and we must do this right — AI in health care can mean shorter wait times and better service. AI in education can meet every child where they are, and AI in government can mean a government that works better for you.
As with many AI-related promises, this one doesn’t define what Carney means by AI — a term that can encompass everything from chatbots and text summaries to data analysis. It can refer to coding tools, apps that identify birds and plants, tools decoding and translating ancient languages, text transcription, video generation, and on and on and on.
Maybe that’s what Carney means when he says “AI for all” — that these are multifaceted tools that can be made useful in many different fields. But if the term is so broad it becomes meaningless, you might as well say a computer for all, or a phone for all. Or maybe a toolbox for all.
(I think that’s a great idea. Everyone starting off on their own should have a good toolbox stocked with the basics.)
Beyond definitions though, this is exactly the kind of meaningless promise we have come to expect from vague AI boosterism. It isn’t coming, it’s already here. The question is not whether or not it changes our lives. It will. The issue is settled. There is an inevitability to it all. So, rather than having a debate on fundamental issues, we’re reduced to making sure that our AI is particularly Canadian, and serves all Canadians.
This is classic federal Liberal Party rhetoric, of course. Capitalism, but nicer. Just don’t look too hard at all the massive cuts. And as for the health care promise, that’s long been the best way to sell Canadians on anything.
I have no doubt machine learning can help improve health care delivery. In fact, I’m interviewing an industrial engineer with Nova Scotia Health this afternoon, and this is one of the things I’m going to ask her about. I’ve also spoken with industrial engineers in the past, who have told me about how they are using machine learning to make emergency departments more responsive, and to provide other health care improvements.
But that is a far cry from “AI for all.” There is plenty of evidence of AI making workers’ jobs worse, if not outright eliminating them. In many cases (translation and graphic design, to name two) the AI tools do a worse job than humans but bosses don’t care because it saves them money.
Is AI making government work better? We’ll have to wait for an assessment of things like the new CRA chatbot. It certainly doesn’t seem to be making immigration work better, with stories like that of graduate student Kémy Adé, whose permanent residency application was rejected after an AI-led review of her file got her job responsibilities wrong.
And Carney’s claim that AI in education “can meet every child where they are” is beyond depressing. You know who can meet children where they are really, really well? Teachers.
As I was writing this, I was thinking ‘boy, will I look like a fool if this turns out that this video of Carney is a fake itself.’ It was posted to Bluesky, and who knows? So I navigated over to CPAC, where I could watch Carney’s entire address and make sure it was real. If you are interested in watching the AI bit, it comes at around the 52-minute mark.
One under-discussed impact of all the AI-generated texts and songs and videos is the low-key stress of constantly wondering if whatever you’re looking at is real, and, I suppose, longer term, what these tools will mean for our definition of what is real.
LE BARON
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"Maybe they can finally fix their employee pay system which was rolled out in 2016 . There are STILL at least 133,000 affected. Anyway make of this what you will.... no mention of cost which to be honest I'd rather not know."
The Phoenix Pay System was contracted under the Conservative government of Stephen Harper.
This happening is nothing new . And Harper was right in that the complaints always seem to come from the party who last lost an MP , LOL .
More than 300 MPs have crossed the floor in Canada since Confederation. One recent count put the total at 307 MPs who changed political affiliation while in office.
If you mean only MPs who switched directly from one party caucus to another, one source breaks that out as 158 party-to-party switchers, with the rest being Independents before or after the move.
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Carney obviously hasn't read the latest on the Anthropic Mythos system. Gotta like an AI that has taken over programming from the programmers and is unexpectedly evolving itself with functions never intended.... John Connor ... we really need your help....
And the government of the past 11 going on 12 years hasn't had enough time yet to fix it ?
The Phoenix Pay System was launched under the Harper government. The federal government approved the pay-modernization initiative in 2009, development began in 2012, and the system was part of Stephen Harper’s broader pay-administration reform effort.
So, the short answer is: it originated with the Conservative government led by Stephen Harper, though the system was LATTER ROLLED OUT under the Trudeau government in 2016.
Planning is one thing, implementation quite another.
And it's capabilities are literally increasing exponentially. Hang on , it's gonna be a wild ride . There is now a new movie/documentary on Prime called 2073 which goes into how the gazillionaires now have more power and influence than most governments. Not to mention money. And how their greed and lust for power doesn't bode well at all for the vast majority of everyone else . Thiel , Musk , Bezos Smuckerburg etel . Well worth a watch.
Watch 2073 online – Prime Video
Ghost lives off-grid in a dystopian New San Francisco in the year 2073. The world is controlled by libertarians, dictators and tech bros. There is no dissent, no freedom. Everyone is monitored, people disappear, and the net is closing on Ghost.
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That's a documentary/movie from 2024 I believe.And it's capabilities are literally increasing exponentially. Hang on , it's gonna be a wild ride . There is now a new movie/documentary on Prime called 2073 which goes into how the gazillionaires now have more power and influence than most governments. Not to mention money. And how their greed and lust for power doesn't bode well at all for the vast majority of everyone else . Thiel , Musk , Bezos Smuckerburg etel . Well worth a watch.
Watch 2073 online – Prime Video
Ghost lives off-grid in a dystopian New San Francisco in the year 2073. The world is controlled by libertarians, dictators and tech bros. There is no dissent, no freedom. Everyone is monitored, people disappear, and the net is closing on Ghost.
New . Just out .
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Might be just out but it sounds like this one....
The docudrama premiered out of competition at the 81st Venice International Film Festival on 3 September 2024.
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