Your View on New Pipeline to BC's North coast and other Canadian Pipeline Dreams

Now here's one on AI and internet privacy. When I got in to that podcast, i immediately got an email from Amazon. with the subject line " You are in: Continue listening free" and "welcome to free streaming".... scary lol...

And I think they hacked my camera too as now I'm getting multiple ads for beard trimmers..... :Banghead:
Better put your pants back on....... :ROFL:
 
Thats why my cam only points at my face... :bsmile:
So what did you think of the podcast? I like Lilley's columns and commentary as he's not over the top partisan. Although I can guess how he votes. He covers most topics with an open mindset. Unlike a lot of biased news outlets. Yes , those guys.....
 
So what did you think of the podcast? I like Lilley's columns and commentary as he's not over the top partisan. Although I can guess how he votes. He covers most topics with an open mindset. Unlike a lot of biased news outlets. Yes , those guys.....
I actually thought it was a good interview. Ellis gave some good precedent from the LNG pipeline days. 92% in favor. Doesn't shock me that the CBC only covered the combatants side but they massage there new to make the East happy anyway. Drama in the west is a good viewer draw for them. The new pipeline will be a long time coming if it does materialize but at least there's hope.
 
If the majority of eligible voters feel the same as this , which IMHO they should if they have their eyes open, then why are we in the situation that we find ourselves as a country? This is a letter to the editor from the National Post , not an opinion from their editorial board....

'Live up to the potential with which we’ve been endowed’​

Despite the huge increase in the number of public servants since 2015, despite the even larger increase in the cost of the public service, every day the National Post publishes articles, usually on the front page, pointing out areas of government incompetence or indifference.





The list of failures is long. They include failure to deport criminal aliens (or even keep track of them), failure to appoint enough judges to get the courts moving, failure to protect Jewish Canadians during this extended period of increasingly violent antisemitism, failure to get a trade deal with the U.S., failure to attend to a 44-year-old patient having heart attack in a hospital ER waiting room, a failure that resulted in an unnecessary fatality, failure of the police to investigate documented online hate, failure to grow GDP per capita by any significant amount for a decade, failures in federal procurement, particularly military procurement, failure to properly manage an immigration program designed to attract immigrants with needed skills and waiting jobs, and failure to contain separatist sentiment in Quebec and Alberta.

Indeed, it is hard to think of much that government touches in Canada that is successful. I’m certainly not an anarchist; government should play a positive role in society. My dismay is that citizens don’t demand better of our governments. There is daily praise for Prime Minister Mark Carney but I’m not sure for what, other than having raised the bar a bit from Justin Trudeau.
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I, for one, can’t imagine why we accept mediocrity and are generally uncritical. We are a blessed country. We have almost unlimited resources, wealth beyond imagination compared with many other nations, an educated and skilled workforce, unlimited land and water, no real natural enemies on our border, oceans surrounding us on three sides and, Donald Trump’s musings notwithstanding, a relatively benign neighbour to the south. We should be thriving, not last in the G7 in terms of economic growth when population change is factored in.

It starts with government but it will take ordinary (and extraordinary) citizens to demand more and vote differently for us to live up to the potential with which we’ve been endowed. It’s a new year — let’s get started.
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John Harris, Toronto
 
If the majority of eligible voters feel the same as this , which IMHO they should if they have their eyes open, then why are we in the situation that we find ourselves as a country? This is a letter to the editor from the National Post , not an opinion from their editorial board....

'Live up to the potential with which we’ve been endowed’​

Despite the huge increase in the number of public servants since 2015, despite the even larger increase in the cost of the public service, every day the National Post publishes articles, usually on the front page, pointing out areas of government incompetence or indifference.





The list of failures is long. They include failure to deport criminal aliens (or even keep track of them), failure to appoint enough judges to get the courts moving, failure to protect Jewish Canadians during this extended period of increasingly violent antisemitism, failure to get a trade deal with the U.S., failure to attend to a 44-year-old patient having heart attack in a hospital ER waiting room, a failure that resulted in an unnecessary fatality, failure of the police to investigate documented online hate, failure to grow GDP per capita by any significant amount for a decade, failures in federal procurement, particularly military procurement, failure to properly manage an immigration program designed to attract immigrants with needed skills and waiting jobs, and failure to contain separatist sentiment in Quebec and Alberta.

Indeed, it is hard to think of much that government touches in Canada that is successful. I’m certainly not an anarchist; government should play a positive role in society. My dismay is that citizens don’t demand better of our governments. There is daily praise for Prime Minister Mark Carney but I’m not sure for what, other than having raised the bar a bit from Justin Trudeau.
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I, for one, can’t imagine why we accept mediocrity and are generally uncritical. We are a blessed country. We have almost unlimited resources, wealth beyond imagination compared with many other nations, an educated and skilled workforce, unlimited land and water, no real natural enemies on our border, oceans surrounding us on three sides and, Donald Trump’s musings notwithstanding, a relatively benign neighbour to the south. We should be thriving, not last in the G7 in terms of economic growth when population change is factored in.

It starts with government but it will take ordinary (and extraordinary) citizens to demand more and vote differently for us to live up to the potential with which we’ve been endowed. It’s a new year — let’s get started.
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John Harris, Toronto
Just about anything the NP (or affiliated "Sun" publications) put out are pretty well guaranteed to be negative on a "Liberal" government.
Funny I haven't seen them condemning PP's congratulations and groveling to DJT about his Venezuelan escapades.
DJT has confirmed that the main issue with Venezuela is that the US wants the oil. I guess PP agrees with that and Daniel must be sweating a bit as the Venezuelan oil could displace any Canadian heavy crude, albeit that would take several years to happen.
We better get those from sea to sea pipelines built before our backs are up against the wall. DS's brown nosing a few months ago means nothing to DJT.
 
Just about anything the NP (or affiliated "Sun" publications) put out are pretty well guaranteed to be negative on a "Liberal" government.
Funny I haven't seen them condemning PP's congratulations and groveling to DJT about his Venezuelan escapades.
DJT has confirmed that the main issue with Venezuela is that the US wants the oil. I guess PP agrees with that and Daniel must be sweating a bit as the Venezuelan oil could displace any Canadian heavy crude, albeit that would take several years to happen.
We better get those from sea to sea pipelines built before our backs are up against the wall. DS's brown nosing a few months ago means nothing to DJT.
I am aware of your distain for Post publications but in this case they didn't write the opinion, which I have seen in many other publications even left leaning ones . The facts and statistics many of them from various departments of our own Government speak for themselves. Has obviously nothing to do with PP never having been in charge nor do I suspect ever will be.
And you are absolutely correct regarding the displacement of our oil now being shipped to the heavy crude refineries in the US which need that type of oil . If they can steal it from Venezuela why would they buy ours . Even at the already discounted price they get it from us for.
 
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I am aware of your distain for Post publications but in this case they didn't write the opinion, which I have seen in many other publications even left leaning ones . The facts and statistics many of them from various departments of our own Government speak for themselves. Has obviously nothing to do with PP never having been in charge nor do I suspect ever will be.
And you are absolutely correct regarding the displacement of our oil now being shipped to the heavy crude refineries in the US which need that type of oil . If they can steal it from Venezuela why would they buy ours . Even at the already discounted price they get it from us for.
It would help if we had more than a limited capacity to refine our oil...
 
It would help if we had more than a limited capacity to refine our oil...
I hate to even utter his name but have you seen the latest from Eby ? Now he says we should be building a new refinery. First sensible thing I've heard him say . But I suspect it's more a case of anything to keep a pipeline from going through the province he has basically given away to 5.9 % of the population . Through provincial legislation he championed no less . Now look at the mess they are in . Wow , almost, almost, hard to believe. Lol.
 
He's an idiot...where are you going to build the refinery???? You need a pipeline to get to that refinery.
Where are you going to sell the refinery products ????? ....You need a pipeline to transfer the products from the refinery to the customer

Do you know how long it takes to build a refinery ???
FEED, purchase, build, etc
Most politicians are dumb when it comes to the petroleum industry...including our Alberta politicians
 
Politicians playing to their masses.
Look like your are thinking about the future even if you don't know what you are talking about.
Interpipline just about went bankrupt in AB building a plastics plant. They had to sell the company.
Takes more than a year to build those plants
 
From AI and yes I worked in the industry


Key Reasons Canada Exports More Crude Than It Refines:
  1. Infrastructure Deficit:
    Pipelines primarily run north-south to the U.S., not east-west across Canada, making it hard to move Western Canadian oil to Eastern Canadian refineries.

  2. Crude Type (Bitumen):
    Oil sands bitumen is heavy and requires specialized "upgraders" or coker units to convert it into lighter, pipeline-friendly oil, which few Canadian refineries possess.

  3. High Costs & Investment Risk:
    Building new refineries or converting old ones is extremely expensive (billions of dollars) with long payback periods, and with declining long-term oil demand, private investment is hesitant.

  4. Economic Logic:
    It's often more profitable for producers to export raw, heavy crude to U.S. refineries that are already built and configured to handle it, rather than investing in costly Canadian processing.

  5. Established Market Structure:
    The industry was structured decades ago to serve the U.S. market, and changing this massive, established system is complex and costly.
 
From what I could find best guess is about 4 years for a medium size refinery up to 250,000 barrels a day AFTER permitting. So of course you know what that means. Protests, blockades, whining etc . Until of course enough fat cheques are cut , lol.
 
4 years is pretty optimistic...I'm thinking 5-7 years and about 500 to 600 million dollars. A lot of factors can play major roles.....
Not for the faint of heart.
I would say that is enough to pay the bribes required........from the internut....


Building a 250,000 barrels per day (bpd) oil refinery typically costs $5 to $10 billion USD, depending on location, complexity, and current economic factors. Cost Benchmarks -Industry estimates peg construction at $20,000 to $40,000 per daily barrel of capacity, translating to $5-10 billion for 250,000 bpd. This covers engineering, procurement, construction (EPC), and supporting infrastructure like storage and utilities. Key Examples- A proposed 250,000 bpd refinery in Nigeria was budgeted at $5 billion total, including $3.5 billion for core facilities. Greenfield projects in challenging locations, like Guyana's scaled 100,000-250,000 bpd plans, hit $5 billion even after adjustments. Cost Drivers- Higher costs arise from advanced cracking units, environmental compliance, and remote sites requiring extra infrastructure. Inflation since 2017 estimates (often $20k-25k/bbl) pushes modern figures upward, with modular designs potentially trimming 10-20%.
 
I don't see any major players...aka ..pipeline companies stepping up to the plate. They have been pretty quiet on this. Even if it was built, it wouldn't be finished until about 2040..............I'll be 90 and probably wearing diapers and a bib. Puts the ball in her court where she has to persuade someone to build it or finance herself /Alberta Government. That would be a big NO. Already 14 of her caucus are being petitioned on a recall drive and for many reasons.......plus she is a Trump loverive it
 
This should have been done decades ago. The AB should be our PM. She has more balls than all of them put together. Canada should be wealthy ad hell with all our resources.
Also has a brown nose as we all have seen late last year.
If I remember right Ralph was building up a fund with oil revenue which was subsequently squandered by succeeding governments. Maybe it could have grown like Norway's fund but our politicians (all of them) are too short sighted.
 
Also has a brown nose as we all have seen late last year.
If I remember right Ralph was building up a fund with oil revenue which was subsequently squandered by succeeding governments. Maybe it could have grown like Norway's fund but our politicians (all of them) are too short sighted.
Peter Lougheed, Alberta premier back in the 70's - 80's, started the Alberta Heritage Savings Trust Fund in 1976.

 

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