Ridiculous, unfair taxation

Brian (Brown Envelope) Mulroney had the Gouge and Screw tax, commonly known as the GST at 7%.
Steve lowered that to 6% and then to 5%. Funny thing happened in QC. Our PST was 7% then 8% then 9%. They sure know how to take advantage of a windfall from our pockets here, So while the rest of Canada got gouged and screwed less we beautiful Quebecers got to maintain the tax rate at 15%. I always find it funny that governments, and that is anyone of them of whatever stripe or colour you like, never manage to balance a budget even though they get more and more and more revenue. Look at all the revenues from the lotteries.
Government are a bottomless pit. Someone will always come up with a way to spend more than they take in.
I'm calling a rise in the GST back up to the original 7% some time soon. Please council me if I should believe that QC will lower the PST when that happens. ROFLOL
 
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Income tax was supposed to be a temporary tax to fund the war effort. The war has been over for 75 and we're still paying it. Liberals are researching a capital gains tax on primary residence now. Just imagine what the fallout from something like this will be if implemented. All three levels of government have their own agendas when it comes to taxes. It is; get as much as we can so we can spend and waste it and look like we're actually doing things that benefits the taxpayer. We all need to pay tax, but it is becoming so that we are supporting government so government can support us. No longer government working for the people. Moving towards socialism. Rant over. Sorry.
 
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Vette1993 said:
Guys..this is an imposed tax that does not favour or reflect political party preference on any side. It is a tax grab period, and it is hurting the collector car world in this country whether you vote Liberal, Conservative, NDP or other. We must make a countrywide stink about this. If anyone knows someone in politics, provincial or federal, speak to them now. Let us not whine and do nothing, which as Canadians we are prone to do! I don't have to pay tax on a second hand refrigerator, why on a second hand car?
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Although I totally agree with you, the general public is not likely to be entirely sympathetic with a group of (perceived) rich grandpa’s with enough disposable cash to spend it on collector cars. With Covid, many families are trying to keep their one car. My guess is their sympathies will not lie with those of us fortunate to be able to afford these extras. Until the masses are energized, the government is not likely to take any action to reduce these taxes.
 
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With a nod to all Albertans, though you don't have a sales tax...you pay an unusually higher price for most everything over the rest of Canada, especially Quebec. As my parents lived there in Calgary for years, I was always taken aback by high prices for foodstuffs, clothing, and most day to day purchases except gasoline. It always seemed to be a "tax included" price plus a markup, when compared to Montreal. Calgarians seem to be unaware of what they pay as to what the same article costs in Ontario or Quebec. I saw the same thing in Winnipeg, to a somewhat lesser degree.
 
A lot of money that is spent is not a necessity. Do we need to go to movies, to restaurants, buy that pair of driving shoes. Obviously no to quite a lot of things. After all we really only need to have a roof over our heads and eat three times a day. Then we can enjoy our family.at home and if they move never see them again..

To those who complain about all the money being "unnecessarily" spent I would wonder what life would be like without those of us who have a bit extra cash to spent on our dreams and frivolous pleasures. The economy would be one hell of a lot smaller than it is now if all those "unnecessary" and "frivolous" things were eliminated.

So I will continue to enjoy my car, eat at restaurants and go to the movies and for those who are jealous of me they should maybe, just maybe, be thankful that I am doing so.
 
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Vette1993 said:
With a nod to all Albertans, though you don't have a sales tax...you pay an unusually higher price for most everything over the rest of Canada, especially Quebec. As my parents lived there in Calgary for years, I was always taken aback by high prices for foodstuffs, clothing, and most day to day purchases except gasoline. It always seemed to be a "tax included" price plus a markup, when compared to Montreal. Calgarians seem to be unaware of what they pay as to what the same article costs in Ontario or Quebec. I saw the same thing in Winnipeg, to a somewhat lesser degree.
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I trailered across Canada a couple years ago and to be honest, didn't see that so much. But I wasn't buying clothing either. I did run out of bourbon in Quebec and it, and your gasoline was considerably higher than here. Perhaps wages come in to play as well but I have no idea what your average wage for a tradesman or professional is down there. I know our minimum wage is higher in AB.
 
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Cariboocreek said:
Although I totally agree with you, the general public is not likely to be entirely sympathetic with a group of (perceived) rich grandpa’s with enough disposable cash to spend it on collector cars. With Covid, many families are trying to keep their one car. My guess is their sympathies will not lie with those of us fortunate to be able to afford these extras. Until the masses are energized, the government is not likely to take any action to reduce these taxes.
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But it's every private sale of every vehicle taxed over and over again. Not just our toy cars. That affects everyone buying a vehicle privately. Certainly affecting some of the general public people you speak of. Oh wait, that was me before I got everything paid off. (by that I mean I got old). I had payments like everyone else way back when. And all I could afford were used vehicles. I could have used the tax money elsewhere.
 
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Vette1993 said:
With a nod to all Albertans, though you don't have a sales tax...you pay an unusually higher price for most everything over the rest of Canada, especially Quebec. As my parents lived there in Calgary for years, I was always taken aback by high prices for foodstuffs, clothing, and most day to day purchases except gasoline. It always seemed to be a "tax included" price plus a markup, when compared to Montreal. Calgarians seem to be unaware of what they pay as to what the same article costs in Ontario or Quebec. I saw the same thing in Winnipeg, to a somewhat lesser degree.
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I want to move to AB just for the cheaper gas and booze.
 
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Fact remains, at every election political parties promise new programs and people generally reward the party who promises the most goodies by electing them. It is a tried and true formula, no wonder they keep doing it. No party ever got elected by promising a new austerity program. The new programs of course require more revenue (taxes) to support those new programs - governments seldom drop old programs because someone might squawk. So how do they get more revenue, they impose taxes and fees where it will create the least amount of flack. Repeat taxation on used cars is a great way to raise revenue with minimal flack. So what is the alternative? How about cutting some government programs? Now there is a sure way for a politician to lose their job! How about moving to a jurisdiction where there is no income tax? I tried that by working in Dubai for a period of time. Great experience but there is a reason the vast majority of western expats go back home after their assignments. How about making government more efficient? Yep any big organization can improve efficiency but in my 40 years of work experience, mega corporations are no more efficient than mega government. So I guess that leaves us all back at the beginning, crying to each other in our beer and in our little special interest group forums. Ah well at least we now have these forums to commiserate on.
 
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Bixter44 said:
I want to move to AB just for the cheaper gas and booze.
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I love the can do attitude in Alberta and the entrepreneurial spirit and I spent some time working there a few years ago during the boom. However, with the heavy dependance on the oil industry it tends to be a boom and bust economy that can be hard on the nerves especially if one's job requires one to move when house prices are down like now. I'm afraid that Alberta may fall victim to the declining use of fossil fuel over the next 25 years much like my native Nova Scotia did as the era of wooden ships gave way to newer technology in the last century. Booming ship building towns gradually faded away to little villages.
 
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DavidWG said:
I love the can do attitude in Alberta and the entrepreneurial spirit and I spent some time working there a few years ago during the boom. However, with the heavy dependance on the oil industry it tends to be a boom and bust economy that can be hard on the nerves especially if one's job requires one to move when house prices are down like now. I'm afraid that Alberta may fall victim to the declining use of fossil fuel over the next 25 years much like my native Nova Scotia did as the era of wooden ships gave way to newer technology in the last century. Booming ship building towns gradually faded away to little villages.
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"Declining use of fossil fuels"....lol...


Fossil Fuels - Our World in Data
 
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Cariboocreek said:
"Declining use of fossil fuels"....lol...


Fossil Fuels - Our World in Data
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I will have to agreed that for fossil fuels the writing is on the wall. Will we see it? The writing is there but that takes time so maybe not in our lifetimes for the Boomers. The push is to the utilization of cleaner fuels. So gas is now seeing the big spike as coal is being phased out. Even The Don couldn't save that industry. Oil is giving way to gas but at a slower rate probably because of the established distribution and utilization base so oil still has some time. Plus oil is needed for plastics so oil is pretty well here to stay in one form or another.
The electrification of short haul transportation is already well under way. We might not have an ICE in the Corvette within five years - if not before.
When you have companies like BP and Shell saying they are going carbon free by 2050 that is a good indication of what big oil companies are thinking about the future. Doesn't mean they won't be pumping oil out of the ground, just that the future is elsewhere if they want to grow.
I worked in the diesel industry for close to 40 years. The writing was on the wall for them as P-L-I fuel injection systems gave way to CR fuel systems. The new systems are R&R. Remove and Replace. No real service to be performed such as rebuilding except at very specialized shops. There is such an established base of older tractors out there that the traditional fuel shop can survive but not really grow. That was a fairly fast change over in about 10 years from one to the other.
So if you want to believe that the use of hydrocarbons will keep on expanding then I wish you the best.
IMHO - The writing is on the wall.
 
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LE BARON said:
I will have to agreed that for fossil fuels the writing is on the wall. Will we see it? The writing is there but that takes time so maybe not in our lifetimes for the Boomers. The push is to the utilization of cleaner fuels. So gas is now seeing the big spike as coal is being phased out. Even The Don couldn't save that industry. Oil is giving way to gas but at a slower rate probably because of the established distribution and utilization base so oil still has some time. Plus oil is needed for plastics so oil is pretty well here to stay in one form or another.
The electrification of short haul transportation is already well under way. We might not have an ICE in the Corvette within five years - if not before.
When you have companies like BP and Shell saying they are going carbon free by 2050 that is a good indication of what big oil companies are thinking about the future. Doesn't mean they won't be pumping oil out of the ground, just that the future is elsewhere if they want to grow.
I worked in the diesel industry for close to 40 years. The writing was on the wall for them as P-L-I fuel injection systems gave way to CR fuel systems. The new systems are R&R. Remove and Replace. No real service to be performed such as rebuilding except at very specialized shops. There is such an established base of older tractors out there that the traditional fuel shop can survive but not really grow. That was a fairly fast change over in about 10 years from one to the other.
So if you want to believe that the use of hydrocarbons will keep on expanding then I wish you the best.
IMHO - The writing is on the wall.
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I just follow the data.

Electric cars working in rural Sask? Lol

An electric combine? Lol

Electric home heating? Ouch....

We will be on fossil fuels for as long as I am alive....
 
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Cariboocreek said:
I just follow the data.

Electric cars working in rural Sask? Lol

An electric combine? Lol

Electric home heating? Ouch....

We will be on fossil fuels for as long as I am alive....
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Probably be on fossil fuels for as long as i am alive as well.
Short haul transportation is going electric fairly fast. Long haul? Well unless they make an electric vehicle with AA batteries so you can stop at the local store to buy a few thousand long haul has quite a ways to go yet. Electric does not have the brute force/duration to compete against long haul/time duration engines. A farmer running that combine 24hrs sure as well doesn't want to park it in the yard to charge it
There is so much/many legacy systems out there that oil is not going away overnight. There are still Model T's running around out there so there will probably be gas. oil, around for one heck of a long time.
 
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