I got into an argument over commercial organic farming. The argument they can and do use pesticides in organic commercial farming. A person said no its like my garden and no pesticides are used. Well my parents own a commercial fruit farm. We made organic apple juice for awhile. Just an FYI, organics are 99% bs. Check the USDA rules on certified organic and then think twice about paying the higher prices on American organic products............. Anyone know other "false" marketing and products. post them here.