Net Zero by 2050...Your Thoughts

Murray20c8 said:
No. ;)

Things won't change. You think PP is a saviour? LOL
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No, not a savior, in a literal sense.
That would imply he's on the same moral, ethical, and philosophical plane as this dude named Jesus.
But he's heads and tails better for Canada than the other vermin currently on offer. IMO.
Who do you prefer, since you're clearly not a fan of PP?
It's OK to answer honestly, no shame here, this is the "Off Topic" forum.
 
MKC8 said:
No, not a savior, in a literal sense.
That would imply he's on the same moral, ethical, and philosophical plane as this dude named Jesus.
But he's heads and tails better for Canada than the other vermin currently on offer. IMO.
Who do you prefer, since you're clearly not a fan of PP?
It's OK to answer honestly, no shame here, this is the "Off Topic" forum.
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Caroline Mulroney.
PP is a contrarian.
He believes one thing and says another.
He is in no way heads and tails above the other. Different? Certainly, but better? No way!
I have nothing against the party other than the fact that they keep electing morons as their leader.
At least the NDP has the balls to say what they believe and believe what they say. (Not that I want them necessarily. I don't really trust them either.)
I do think it's time for a change, but a change for the sake of change is not really a good thing if you're changing one evil for another.

Anyway, this topic is about climate change. Something has to be done. Is this the right way? maybe not, but at least it has people thinking and talking about it. Perhaps that will spark someone to come up with a better plan. As it was pointed out it has to be a world plan not just a Canadian plan. We agreed to "A" plan that the 186 other countries could all agree on. If we wanted something done at all it had to be what was agreed on.
 
Hopefully this doesn't devolve in to a political orientation thread. We already have one for that.
Does something have to be done to "save" planet Earth? Well something has to be done more for if we, as humans, want to be around in another couple of thousand years. That is the main point. Earth, itself, doesn't give a second thought about us. It can't think, I Think
Earth by itself will continue on with - or without - humans. Unfortunately we have to do something to insure our continued existence here on planet Earth.
The political know all's are more concerned about their own short term, for Earth, ideas which mainly revolve around on how to get re-elected and keep their hands on the reins. What is needed is governance for the benefit of the country as a whole and not for their own ideas.
Wouldn't it be nice to see the parties sit down in the house chambres and govern for the people rather than deride anything put forward by another party. And that applies to pretty well all that are there at present.
One of my co-workers once said to me that even though you may know your field of "expertise" quite well it is always good to listen to what the other person says in case you can glean something you had not thought of. Just because they are not of the same philosophy does not mean they are idiots.
Mind you there are some very well educated idiots in parliament on all sides.
 
Murray20c8 said:
Caroline Mulroney.
PP is a contrarian.
He believes one thing and says another.
He is in no way heads and tails above the other. Different? Certainly, but better? No way!
I have nothing against the party other than the fact that they keep electing morons as their leader.
At least the NDP has the balls to say what they believe and believe what they say. (Not that I want them necessarily. I don't really trust them either.)
I do think it's time for a change, but a change for the sake of change is not really a good thing if you're changing one evil for another.

Anyway, this topic is about climate change. Something has to be done. Is this the right way? maybe not, but at least it has people thinking and talking about it. Perhaps that will spark someone to come up with a better plan. As it was pointed out it has to be a world plan not just a Canadian plan. We agreed to "A" plan that the 186 other countries could all agree on. If we wanted something done at all it had to be what was agreed on.
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Unfortunately the Countries that are the worst offenders in emissions are sitting back and languishing in the fact that the Countries that will make zero difference to climate change are crippling their economies thinking they will be part of the solution while the worst offenders have no intention of driving theirs into ruin. Yes. 186 Countries agreed to a plan. It's easy to agree to something and then walk away laughing at how naive others can be. Lets shame China and India and multiple others into doing their part. Yup. That will work. The world climate will continue on it's destructive course and their nothing the stand alones can do about it.
No matter. Our taxes earmarked for climate change will soon be moved to a WW3 fund. How's that for optimism.
 
CO2 emissions by country...

Canada is less than 2% of the total emissions. Even if we got to 0, it wouldn't move the needle one bit, so I don't see the logic in driving cost into the Canadian economy, passing it along to citizens, and making the economy less competitive with unnecessary taxation.

We have to stay competitive with what other nations are doing when it comes to environmental policies. Right now, we are at a disadvantage.

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And with that, please take the political discussion that has strayed away from climate change to here. I will leave the existing politics only posts alone but future ones will disappear.

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Rruuff Day said:
Unfortunately the Countries that are the worst offenders in emissions are sitting back and languishing in the fact that the Countries that will make zero difference to climate change are crippling their economies thinking they will be part of the solution while the worst offenders have no intention of driving theirs into ruin. Yes. 186 Countries agreed to a plan. It's easy to agree to something and then walk away laughing at how naive others can be. Lets shame China and India and multiple others into doing their part. Yup. That will work. The world climate will continue on it's destructive course and their nothing the stand alones can do about it.
No matter. Our taxes earmarked for climate change will soon be moved to a WW3 fund. How's that for optimism.
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I can't argue with any of that. I just wish it weren't so.
 
TCinthe6 said:
CO2 emissions by country...

Canada is less than 2% of the total emissions. Even if we got to 0, it wouldn't move the needle one bit, so I don't see the logic in driving cost into the Canadian economy, passing it along to citizens, and making the economy less competitive with unnecessary taxation.
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It's not what we do, it's the way we lead. And I don't mean just Canada. It's the world. If everyone thought that way then nothing would even be tried. Throwing our hands in the air will only hasten our demise. "Our" meaning humans. Canada is only one tiny part of the solution. It takes many tiny parts to make a whole.
 
Murray20c8 said:
It's not what we do, it's the way we lead. And I don't mean just Canada. It's the world. If everyone thought that way then nothing would even be tried. Throwing our hands in the air will only hasten our demise. "Our" meaning humans. Canada is only one tiny part of the solution. It takes many tiny parts to make a whole.
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Tiny parts can't make a whole without the large parts.... A jig-saw puzzle missing all the larger parts is worthless...
 
Pollution won't be the end of the world WW3 will be, that's why Elon is trying to start another population on Mars or the Moon to keep the human race going
 
LE BARON said:
Elon is a smart go-getter, get it done guy. His backing of DT however really makes one wonder just who he is concerned about. I would think the answer is - Himself
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Elon isn't doing this for any other reason than himself. He sells his products to NASA among others. It's NASA (and others) that want to save the human race by populating other worlds.
 
Rruuff Day said:
Tiny parts can't make a whole without the large parts.... A jig-saw puzzle missing all the larger parts is worthless...
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Our current situation regarding the unfortunate reality that the punitive taxation in the name of “ saving the planet “ is resulting in an immeasurable decrease in planetary warming comes down to this….
altruistic
adjective
showing a wish to help or bring advantages to others, even if it results in disadvantage for yourself:
 

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