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<blockquote data-quote="gone" data-source="post: 257443" data-attributes="member: 5899"><p>Until we get sufficient numbers of people vaccinated (90%++) worldwide, the virus will likely keep mutating and spread. Only through almost universal inoculations were we able to eradicate things like smallpox and polio. Thankfully people went along with those inoculation programs in the past, otherwise the same compliance level achieved today with COVID would mean those (now considered) "old diseases" would still be with us. Think about that. I understand the temptation to point to smoking, alcohol consumption, and poor diet as being drains on our healthcare system so if we enforce mandatory COVID vaccinations, it opens the "floodgates" to prohibit smoking, etc or penalize those who practice these unsafe health habits...and that (especially for smoking) second hand smoke can pose health dangers for others, however:</p><p></p><p>-I can't die "immediately" from second hand smoke;</p><p>-I can't inhale second hand smoke and once in my lungs, transmit that to another person and potentially "immediately" kill them and their loved ones with that smoke;</p><p>-someone inhaling the second hand smoke from me, can't transmit that to another (and so on);</p><p>-these other "bad health habits" have been with us for generations and Society has born the cost of same, so the chances of our Society doing an "about-face" and clamping down on them now, using the reaction to an "unexpected PANDEMIC" as the excuse, are slim to none, especially due to the differences pointed out above. </p><p></p><p>When I say "immediate death" I don't mean I'll drop dead on the spot. I mean I could develop a very serious reaction to the virus and it could lead to death in a matter of days or weeks. That's actually happening. Or it could lead to side-effects that remain even after COVID is gone. That happened to my youngest daughter (a nurse) who picked up COVID at age 23 almost 2 years ago and had a not-so-nice bout, taking about 8 weeks to "recover" but she's still left with greater fatigue and her sense of smell isn't 100%. Certainly a person can be lucky playing "COVID-roulette" and not suffer any or only very mild symptoms. One can always say "it'll never happen to me and who cares about the other guy; let them fend for themselves; it's Mother Nature's process of elimination and happens only to the very old." But you need only look in the ICU wards of my City now to see a very different story: at the Royal Misericordia Hospital (for example, as mentioned to me this past w/e by my surgeon friend who usually works there) 100% of the ICU patients are people who didn't get <u>any</u> vaccinations and the ward is full, with other beds being opened up for COVID patients. And those in ICU vary in age but they're not all really old. Other surgeries are cancelled unless they're "life threatening" and that usually means emergency surgeries to remove malignant cancerous growths are the only type of surgery happening. My same friend who is an orthopeodic surgeon is now out of work, since his usual OR's have been completely shut down. He's getting zero income. So those on waiting lists for back surgery, and hip, knee and other joint replacements are not getting ANY and their painful suffering/limping/dysfunction continues. He also tells me that cancerous people scared of going to a hospital due to COVID concerns are in some cases waiting too long to address their cancers, with them being told when they finally go for treatment, that they're now beyond help since surgery/chemo are no longer options. But hey, that's their problem; right? If this goes on long enough, it will likely touch all of us in some fashion (each of us or someone close to us) but it'll be really unfortunate if we wait long enough for that to happen. And the over-all cost to Society will be enormous from a human suffering, mortality and dollar perspective. My 2 cents.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="gone, post: 257443, member: 5899"] Until we get sufficient numbers of people vaccinated (90%++) worldwide, the virus will likely keep mutating and spread. Only through almost universal inoculations were we able to eradicate things like smallpox and polio. Thankfully people went along with those inoculation programs in the past, otherwise the same compliance level achieved today with COVID would mean those (now considered) "old diseases" would still be with us. Think about that. I understand the temptation to point to smoking, alcohol consumption, and poor diet as being drains on our healthcare system so if we enforce mandatory COVID vaccinations, it opens the "floodgates" to prohibit smoking, etc or penalize those who practice these unsafe health habits...and that (especially for smoking) second hand smoke can pose health dangers for others, however: -I can't die "immediately" from second hand smoke; -I can't inhale second hand smoke and once in my lungs, transmit that to another person and potentially "immediately" kill them and their loved ones with that smoke; -someone inhaling the second hand smoke from me, can't transmit that to another (and so on); -these other "bad health habits" have been with us for generations and Society has born the cost of same, so the chances of our Society doing an "about-face" and clamping down on them now, using the reaction to an "unexpected PANDEMIC" as the excuse, are slim to none, especially due to the differences pointed out above. When I say "immediate death" I don't mean I'll drop dead on the spot. I mean I could develop a very serious reaction to the virus and it could lead to death in a matter of days or weeks. That's actually happening. Or it could lead to side-effects that remain even after COVID is gone. That happened to my youngest daughter (a nurse) who picked up COVID at age 23 almost 2 years ago and had a not-so-nice bout, taking about 8 weeks to "recover" but she's still left with greater fatigue and her sense of smell isn't 100%. Certainly a person can be lucky playing "COVID-roulette" and not suffer any or only very mild symptoms. One can always say "it'll never happen to me and who cares about the other guy; let them fend for themselves; it's Mother Nature's process of elimination and happens only to the very old." But you need only look in the ICU wards of my City now to see a very different story: at the Royal Misericordia Hospital (for example, as mentioned to me this past w/e by my surgeon friend who usually works there) 100% of the ICU patients are people who didn't get [U]any[/U] vaccinations and the ward is full, with other beds being opened up for COVID patients. And those in ICU vary in age but they're not all really old. Other surgeries are cancelled unless they're "life threatening" and that usually means emergency surgeries to remove malignant cancerous growths are the only type of surgery happening. My same friend who is an orthopeodic surgeon is now out of work, since his usual OR's have been completely shut down. He's getting zero income. So those on waiting lists for back surgery, and hip, knee and other joint replacements are not getting ANY and their painful suffering/limping/dysfunction continues. He also tells me that cancerous people scared of going to a hospital due to COVID concerns are in some cases waiting too long to address their cancers, with them being told when they finally go for treatment, that they're now beyond help since surgery/chemo are no longer options. But hey, that's their problem; right? If this goes on long enough, it will likely touch all of us in some fashion (each of us or someone close to us) but it'll be really unfortunate if we wait long enough for that to happen. And the over-all cost to Society will be enormous from a human suffering, mortality and dollar perspective. My 2 cents. [/QUOTE]
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