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That is my thought tha tthe article is on point in many ways.. To lower the 0-60 time from the C7 Z06 to the C7 ZR1, by just 0.1 seconds, take roughly an additional $40,000 (about 50% more). Sure this year we can get discounts on Z06’s, but that would not have been a prudent investment for me, for most of the time I am already throttle pedal modulation in my Z06 (except on hot days).

Not saying spinning rear tires is not fun of course.
 
I agree with the writer, when it comes to the argument that GM doesn't need more performance than we already get out of the ZR1, and the focus should be more on the interior and tech. But, the one thing I do see as beneficial with the mid-engine layout, is the possibility of AWD. Clearly AWD can be done with the engine in the front. My Subaru is proof of that. But, I think it's much more difficult to do with a vehicle like the Corvette. Even if it isn't, I think the move to mid-engine allows the engineers the latitude to explore additional means of propulsion. It's kinda like, "Well, we've already moved the engine behind the seats, so what's the big deal about making the front wheels drive the car as well?" The Corvette faithful will have already been "growled up" by the movement of the engine, so why not take this opportunity to throw another monkey wrench into the traditionalist mindset. The possibility of a mid-engined Corvette with AWD and 800-1000hp is very interesting. I think the other issue is the semantics regarding what qualifies as a "super car" and what doesn't. I recall Doug DeMuro doing a review on YouTube about the C7 Z06 and whether or not it was now a "super car". His conclusion was that it isn't........ I think it goes mostly to the "exclusivity" aspect of the car, not the performance aspect. Also, I think the whole mid-engine layout lends itself to "super car" status. So, if GM wants the Corvette to finally be regarded as a "super car" building it with a mid-engine layout, and making it more expensive so it's more "exclusive" would further that goal. It just seems to me that the mid-engine C8 is necessary from an evolutionary standpoint. If GM sits still, the rest of the sports car world will just run over it, and that's not something any of us want to see.
 
I agree with the writer, when it comes to the argument that GM doesn't need more performance than we already get out of the ZR1, and the focus should be more on the interior and tech. But, the one thing I do see as beneficial with the mid-engine layout, is the possibility of AWD. Clearly AWD can be done with the engine in the front. My Subaru is proof of that. But, I think it's much more difficult to do with a vehicle like the Corvette. Even if it isn't, I think the move to mid-engine allows the engineers the latitude to explore additional means of propulsion. It's kinda like, "Well, we've already moved the engine behind the seats, so what's the big deal about making the front wheels drive the car as well?" The Corvette faithful will have already been "growled up" by the movement of the engine, so why not take this opportunity to throw another monkey wrench into the traditionalist mindset. The possibility of a mid-engined Corvette with AWD and 800-1000hp is very interesting. I think the other issue is the semantics regarding what qualifies as a "super car" and what doesn't. I recall Doug DeMuro doing a review on YouTube about the C7 Z06 and whether or not it was now a "super car". His conclusion was that it isn't........ I think it goes mostly to the "exclusivity" aspect of the car, not the performance aspect. Also, I think the whole mid-engine layout lends itself to "super car" status. So, if GM wants the Corvette to finally be regarded as a "super car" building it with a mid-engine layout, and making it more expensive so it's more "exclusive" would further that goal. It just seems to me that the mid-engine C8 is necessary from an evolutionary standpoint. If GM sits still, the rest of the sports car world will just run over it, and that's not something any of us want to see.
Hey for a lawyer you are pretty smart - agree with your comments 100% - could not have said it better myself - LOL.:boomcar:
 
I agree with the writer, when it comes to the argument that GM doesn't need more performance than we already get out of the ZR1, and the focus should be more on the interior and tech. But, the one thing I do see as beneficial with the mid-engine layout, is the possibility of AWD. Clearly AWD can be done with the engine in the front. My Subaru is proof of that. But, I think it's much more difficult to do with a vehicle like the Corvette. Even if it isn't, I think the move to mid-engine allows the engineers the latitude to explore additional means of propulsion. It's kinda like, "Well, we've already moved the engine behind the seats, so what's the big deal about making the front wheels drive the car as well?" The Corvette faithful will have already been "growled up" by the movement of the engine, so why not take this opportunity to throw another monkey wrench into the traditionalist mindset. The possibility of a mid-engined Corvette with AWD and 800-1000hp is very interesting. I think the other issue is the semantics regarding what qualifies as a "super car" and what doesn't. I recall Doug DeMuro doing a review on YouTube about the C7 Z06 and whether or not it was now a "super car". His conclusion was that it isn't........ I think it goes mostly to the "exclusivity" aspect of the car, not the performance aspect. Also, I think the whole mid-engine layout lends itself to "super car" status. So, if GM wants the Corvette to finally be regarded as a "super car" building it with a mid-engine layout, and making it more expensive so it's more "exclusive" would further that goal. It just seems to me that the mid-engine C8 is necessary from an evolutionary standpoint. If GM sits still, the rest of the sports car world will just run over it, and that's not something any of us want to see.

You lost me at Doug. If we are thinking of the same YouTuber... his uninformed opinion of any car; especially the fiasco he posted on the Z06, along with his ridiculous scores are worthless.
Beyond that; sports car/super car titles are personally not important to me.
I never dreamed I could own a car with the luxury and performance of my C7 706 even 10 years ago. The C7 platform really brought corvette into the discussion and now I hear all kinds of things about interior quality not being as good as a true supercar / sports car for $100s of thousands more. I’m not well experienced with the inside of any of these cars but that kind of price difference makes it some expensive leather. I’m perfectly happy with the interior of my car. Love it.
Now if GM can improve the platform for improvement of the actual performance and up the game on the interior design and quality for a few thousand more. It’s simply amazing.
Then add the 800-1000 HP versions that will still cost a fraction of the cars corvette will be competing with.... ya you will pay for it but relatively speaking it is a incredibly bargain for the same or better performance and likely a more reliable machine.
I feel that brand name and price are fogging the definition of “super car”. Corvettes will check off all the boxes except price. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens as it’s very possible corvette will compete to a point there may be some scrambling to re-capture a slipping market in the $300-600K range as corvette may possibly take a ton of customers away. So ya GM needs to build the car. If they get it right it could be amazing.
Just my take on this.
 
Hahaha.......thanx JCWP :) Hoping to see you at some Car BS and Coffee events as the season approaches :)
Yes, please keep me in the loop. Which club do you associate with. I am in touch with Graham from the RCC.
 
You lost me at Doug. If we are thinking of the same YouTuber... his uninformed opinion of any car; especially the fiasco he posted on the Z06, along with his ridiculous scores are worthless.
Beyond that; sports car/super car titles are personally not important to me.
I never dreamed I could own a car with the luxury and performance of my C7 706 even 10 years ago. The C7 platform really brought corvette into the discussion and now I hear all kinds of things about interior quality not being as good as a true supercar / sports car for $100s of thousands more. I’m not well experienced with the inside of any of these cars but that kind of price difference makes it some expensive leather. I’m perfectly happy with the interior of my car. Love it.
Now if GM can improve the platform for improvement of the actual performance and up the game on the interior design and quality for a few thousand more. It’s simply amazing.
Then add the 800-1000 HP versions that will still cost a fraction of the cars corvette will be competing with.... ya you will pay for it but relatively speaking it is a incredibly bargain for the same or better performance and likely a more reliable machine.
I feel that brand name and price are fogging the definition of “super car”. Corvettes will check off all the boxes except price. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens as it’s very possible corvette will compete to a point there may be some scrambling to re-capture a slipping market in the $300-600K range as corvette may possibly take a ton of customers away. So ya GM needs to build the car. If they get it right it could be amazing.
Just my take on this.

I agree with both of you... but..... GM needs to be careful that they retain a Corvette in the price range for the average Joe as well. Exclusivity is one thing but losing out on 30,000 plus sports car sales would hurt a little I would think. Ferrari sold a mere 2,518 cars in the US in 2017, Lambo 1,095, McLaren 1,110, and so on.... I'm thinking even if the 'frunk' engine Vette goes by the wayside that they are smart enough to continue to offer a $ 100,000 (give or take) model for us welfare recipients... JMO
 
There is no hard and fast criteria on what actually makes a car a super car other than peoples opinion. Corvette sales volume allows them to offer what many think is the best bang for the buck on the market. I agree. They are still exclusive enough to turn heads. A C7 for 60ish is a bargain!
 
Yes, please keep me in the loop. Which club do you associate with. I am in touch with Graham from the RCC.
I'm not in any clubs. Geoff Peterson, the guy who organizes Carbs and Coffee graduated with me from West Van High, and I'm friends with him in FB. He posts when the upcoming events are happening (typically on the North Shore) and if I'm in town we go 😁
 
There is no hard and fast criteria on what actually makes a car a super car other than peoples opinion. Corvette sales volume allows them to offer what many think is the best bang for the buck on the market. I agree. They are still exclusive enough to turn heads. A C7 for 60ish is a bargain!
No doubt. It's the reason I chose the Z06/07...nothing for sale on the planet touched it (pre ZR1) for power, price, usability, and reliability. No regrets here at all. It's definitely a "super" car in my books. The C8 will have to be brilliant for me to consider trading her in 😁.
 
You lost me at Doug. If we are thinking of the same YouTuber... his uninformed opinion of any car; especially the fiasco he posted on the Z06, along with his ridiculous scores are worthless.
Beyond that; sports car/super car titles are personally not important to me.
I never dreamed I could own a car with the luxury and performance of my C7 706 even 10 years ago. The C7 platform really brought corvette into the discussion and now I hear all kinds of things about interior quality not being as good as a true supercar / sports car for $100s of thousands more. I’m not well experienced with the inside of any of these cars but that kind of price difference makes it some expensive leather. I’m perfectly happy with the interior of my car. Love it.
Now if GM can improve the platform for improvement of the actual performance and up the game on the interior design and quality for a few thousand more. It’s simply amazing.
Then add the 800-1000 HP versions that will still cost a fraction of the cars corvette will be competing with.... ya you will pay for it but relatively speaking it is a incredibly bargain for the same or better performance and likely a more reliable machine.
I feel that brand name and price are fogging the definition of “super car”. Corvettes will check off all the boxes except price. It’s going to be interesting to see what happens as it’s very possible corvette will compete to a point there may be some scrambling to re-capture a slipping market in the $300-600K range as corvette may possibly take a ton of customers away. So ya GM needs to build the car. If they get it right it could be amazing.
Just my take on this.
Doug's review of the Z06 infuriated me, but love him or hate him, I believe he's over 1 million subscribers and has two YouTube channels, so clearly people are listening to what he has ho say....he does influence the market. I think GM will produce another brilliant car, but I just can't see it being sold for less than $100,000 in Canada. If it is, and provides performance close to my Z06 I'll be interested. So far the camo has me wondering...but I'm sure not wondering about the rear spoiler they've had on it...hideous...I'm hoping they lose that....
 
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I agree with both of you... but..... GM needs to be careful that they retain a Corvette in the price range for the average Joe as well. Exclusivity is one thing but losing out on 30,000 plus sports car sales would hurt a little I would think. Ferrari sold a mere 2,518 cars in the US in 2017, Lambo 1,095, McLaren 1,110, and so on.... I'm thinking even if the 'frunk' engine Vette goes by the wayside that they are smart enough to continue to offer a $ 100,000 (give or take) model for us welfare recipients... JMO

Understood on the pricing and agreed to a point. From what I’m seeing, the base model C8 corvette will be priced in our range and most likely far less than we paid for our C7 Z06s. This with a range of options that effect the base price accordingly.
Now for the 800 and 1000 HP versions we can expect a similar ratioed jump in prices as with the C7 jump to Z06. And a similar jump for the 1000 HP version comparable to the C7 ZR1 from Z06’s. Although I would not be surprised to see a big pricing increase from the 800 HP version to the 1000HP C8 car. If I’m right GM will have a C8 available for all buyers. With the 1000 HP version we may see a huge increase in performance tech and a car that stands way out from the 800 HP version. Front wheel motors, active aero, and some things just not available on the lower versions. This would be at a big cost and move Corvette closer to the Supercar pricing range for the specific buyer. Similar pricing to the limited build Ford. But hopefully still less $ and more available.
I love the C7 ZR1 but for the money you are getting a dolled up Z06 with a bit more HP. The big dog C8 may actually be a car that completely stands out from the lower versions.
I guess we will all know soon enough. 👍
 
Understood on the pricing and agreed to a point. From what I’m seeing, the base model C8 corvette will be priced in our range and most likely far less than we paid for our C7 Z06s. This with a range of options that effect the base price accordingly.
Now for the 800 and 1000 HP versions we can expect a similar ratioed jump in prices as with the C7 jump to Z06. And a similar jump for the 1000 HP version comparable to the C7 ZR1 from Z06’s. Although I would not be surprised to see a big pricing increase from the 800 HP version to the 1000HP C8 car. If I’m right GM will have a C8 available for all buyers. With the 1000 HP version we may see a huge increase in performance tech and a car that stands way out from the 800 HP version. Front wheel motors, active aero, and some things just not available on the lower versions. This would be at a big cost and move Corvette closer to the Supercar pricing range for the specific buyer. Similar pricing to the limited build Ford. But hopefully still less $ and more available.
I love the C7 ZR1 but for the money you are getting a dolled up Z06 with a bit more HP. The big dog C8 may actually be a car that completely stands out from the lower versions.
I guess we will all know soon enough.
No argument. All good points. I hope you are right. 👍
 
Understood on the pricing and agreed to a point. From what I’m seeing, the base model C8 corvette will be priced in our range and most likely far less than we paid for our C7 Z06s. This with a range of options that effect the base price accordingly.
Now for the 800 and 1000 HP versions we can expect a similar ratioed jump in prices as with the C7 jump to Z06. And a similar jump for the 1000 HP version comparable to the C7 ZR1 from Z06’s. Although I would not be surprised to see a big pricing increase from the 800 HP version to the 1000HP C8 car. If I’m right GM will have a C8 available for all buyers. With the 1000 HP version we may see a huge increase in performance tech and a car that stands way out from the 800 HP version. Front wheel motors, active aero, and some things just not available on the lower versions. This would be at a big cost and move Corvette closer to the Supercar pricing range for the specific buyer. Similar pricing to the limited build Ford. But hopefully still less $ and more available.
I love the C7 ZR1 but for the money you are getting a dolled up Z06 with a bit more HP. The big dog C8 may actually be a car that completely stands out from the lower versions.
I guess we will all know soon enough. 👍
My thought is that they'll price it at about $80,000 US so with exchange, taxes, destination charges...etc...it'll be over $100K. If they can sell it for less than $80K US that would be awesome. I like the ZR1, but I just can't justify the $40K more than my Z06/07....like I really need more power....not. Man I wish we'd get something tangible from GM.....☹
 

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